[Albion] BBC sounds interview with Graham Potter

[LamieRobertson]

Doesn't seem to be a shouting match, and is keeping the threadvnear the top of the board and thus pointing more people towards the podcast.

Lol

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

I hope he is replaced at the end of this season. You lot can massage your fan egos and be happy that everyone is talking about us, but for me it's about goal, wins and points. And unless I'm mistaken, we are in about the same place we were 2 years ago.

That alone is amazing and a great reason to stick with it. We are still at the begining of a process. As Jose Mourinho pointed out, it took Jurgen Klopp 4 years to turn Liverpool around.

2 years ago we were getting slaughtered for our style, now we are getting lauded for it when many experts insisted it was a recipie for disaster.

2 years ago we had the 2nd oldest squad in the league and our right back was 37. Now we have the 3rd youngest squad and our right back is one of the hottest 20 year old prospects on the planet.

2 years ago we ago we were beaten 5-0 at home by Bournemouth. nuff said.

 

[andy1980]

I agree that it should be a debate.

The interview was superb, Potter summarised the game well, and spoke at length about mistakes. His viewpoint is that in high pressure scenarios developing an ethos to minimise those mistakes is invaluable. TB's view is that the only way the club can advance in the long term is to be different to allow the club to punch above our weight. This may result in relegation this season, it's part of the risk, and no one knows more about risk than our owner.

Newly promoted West Bromwich Albion and Fulham are both in relegation positions at present too, so not sure of the point you are trying to make.

Leeds were promoted last season with a £78 million wage bill in the Championship, which was the same as that of the Albion in our first season in the Premier League.

As for the 'some people think the club are immune to any criticism whatsoever' who are they?

I think in the main the decisions made at decision making level are forward thinking and progressive, but they make some clangers too.

I think one of their clangers would be relegation. I can't remember achieving an on field target straight away. It took us 2 seasons to get promoted from league 1, 5 hard fought seasons to get promoted to the Premier League. We are in the second season of our long term aim to become a top 10 team. Even his Belgium team has taken 3 season to get promoted.

With this in mind, I feel a relegation would put us back a few more years than most think to achieve our top 10 target.

I do like what Potter does mostly,and if he wins at least 2 games in the final 9 games I will be satisfied, but to just accept relegation would be a big mistake in my opinion..

Is that £78m the highest in the Championship?

 

[andy1980]

The thread was about a podcast. I listened to the podcast. I was then in a position to comment about the podcast.

Meanwhile others come on the thread just to slag off the manager without listening to the podcast.

Pathetic.

Vegabond came on to derail it.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

I agree that it should be a debate.

The interview was superb, Potter summarised the game well, and spoke at length about mistakes. His viewpoint is that in high pressure scenarios developing an ethos to minimise those mistakes is invaluable. TB's view is that the only way the club can advance in the long term is to be different to allow the club to punch above our weight. This may result in relegation this season, it's part of the risk, and no one knows more about risk than our owner.

Newly promoted West Bromwich Albion and Fulham are both in relegation positions at present too, so not sure of the point you are trying to make.

Leeds were promoted last season with a £78 million wage bill in the Championship, which was the same as that of the Albion in our first season in the Premier League.

As for the 'some people think the club are immune to any criticism whatsoever' who are they?

I think in the main the decisions made at decision making level are forward thinking and progressive, but they make some clangers too.

Exactly. A healthy debate. Every time someone dares criticise GPot the usual faces shut them down. It's clear that there's a lot of things going on, good and bad - it's just frustrating to hear the same stuff every bloody time and see everyone shut down by the same people on here for daring to point out what's not working well.

Anyway thanks for answering the question. Sounds like it's something new and worth adding another podcast to the queue.


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[vagabond]

That alone is amazing and a great reason to stick with it. We are still at the begining of a process. As Jose Mourinho pointed out, it took Jurgen Klopp 4 years to turn Liverpool around.

2 years ago we were getting slaughtered for our style, now we are getting lauded for it when many experts insisted it was a recipie for disaster.

2 years ago we had the 2nd oldest squad in the league and our right back was 37. Now we have the 3rd youngest squad and our right back is one of the hottest 20 year old prospects on the planet.

2 years ago we ago we were beaten 5-0 at home by Bournemouth. nuff said.

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Well said. It’s a long term game yet some expect instant results. It seems like some feel we have a divine right to be mid table now. Unless you’re playing FIFA I’m not sure what on earth that’s based on. If it’s based on wage budget it’s completely unrealistic.

Now if we were to go down, then that is a more destructive short term outcome that would require possible rethinking from the board. But as far as I can see GP kept us up with a record point total last season and he has still has a decent chance of doing so again.

 

[Shooting Star]

For real? Off the top of my head:

- Putting faith in young players.
- Dropping our number 1 GK and replacing him with Sanchez is a pretty big change
- Being more tactically flexible
- Not just “playing more attractive football”, that’s quite a disservice, we’ve dominated most games. Really. Which compared to our previous manager is an astonishing turn around.
- Winning away at the big boys
- And going from the first point there’s now a definite pathway from u23s/loans > first team. Surely that’s a change you may have noticed.

We have not got the points this season our performances deserve. Yes, that is not a good thing in and of itself, but taking into account with all of the above, it surely tells us we’re very close, maybe even one striker away from putting all the pieces together.

What do you expect, mid table? Well if it wasn’t for games like Palace and Man U and other robbed results we would be. It seems like short term thinking to want the manager sacked based on games like that.

Vaga, you know just as well as I do that most of those questioning GP are basing their opinions on us not being able to beat a single bottom half team (Newcastle apart) prior to two games ago.

I see some of your points, but then again I can point to a number of ways we have either stood still or regressed (to date):

- Still challenging no higher than 16th place and not guaranteed even a 40 point finish.*
- Still being unable to beat Palace or finish above them.
- Significantly worse home form.*
- No consistent cup run since two years ago.
- We haven't been able to fully replace Glenn as a consistent goalscorer.
- You should remember that the pathway from loan players had already begun during CH's tenure by the club, as Percy and Alexis were both on loan. You have a point with the U23 pathway, but to date that has only really materialised in Sanchez, Connolly and Alzate - and Alzate has found it tough to break past other more experienced pros ahead of him this season.

*This could all change with a strong finish to the season, granted. But it looks tough with the games we still have yet to play. Would love to be proved wrong though, and the last two games were immensely encouraging.

In my mind, it all comes down those who believe we're on the path to something greater and those who look at the here and now. If time proves the former right, then they'll have been right to cut GP and the club slack over this season. If time sees us not progress to where people think we're headed however, then this season will be remembered very differently.

All I will say is that I am 100% convinced that once fans are back in the ground, results will matter a LOT more to people than pathways and what's happening behind the scenes at the club. I'm not saying that's necessarily right, but that's the reality of football.

 

[vagabond]

Exactly. A healthy debate. Every time someone dares criticise GPot the usual faces shut them down. It's clear that there's a lot of things going on, good and bad - it's just frustrating to hear the same stuff every bloody time and see everyone shut down by the same people on here for daring to point out what's not working well.

Anyway thanks for answering the question. Sounds like it's something new and worth adding another podcast to the queue.


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I don’t think anyone’s shut you down. But why don’t you start a thread critiquing the manager and outline what you don’t like about him as a man and as a coach? That’s probably a better place for your points.

The OP found a nice positive podcast segment about our club and was happy to share it.

 

[andy1980]

I don’t think anyone’s shut you down. But why don’t you start a thread critiquing the manager and outline what you don’t like about him as a man and as a coach? That’s probably a better place for your points.

The OP found a nice positive podcast segment about our club and was happy to share it.

Which you derailed by trying to have a dig at the Potter outers.

 

[vagabond]

Vaga, you know just as well as I do that most of those questioning GP are basing their opinions on us not being able to beat a single bottom half team (Newcastle apart) prior to two games ago.

I see some of your points, but then again I can point to a number of ways we have either stood still or regressed (to date):

- Still challenging no higher than 16th place and not guaranteed even a 40 point finish.*
- Still being unable to beat Palace or finish above them.
- Significantly worse home form.*
- No consistent cup run since two years ago.
- We haven't been able to fully replace Glenn as a consistent goalscorer.
- You should remember that the pathway from loan players had already begun during CH's tenure by the club, as Percy and Alexis were both on loan. You have a point with the U23 pathway, but to date that has only really materialised in Sanchez, Connolly and Alzate - and Alzate has found it tough to break past other more experienced pros ahead of him this season.

*This could all change with a strong finish to the season, granted. But it looks tough with the games we still have yet to play. Would love to be proved wrong though, and the last two games were immensely encouraging.

In my mind, it all comes down those who believe we're on the path to something greater and those who look at the here and now. If time proves the former right, then they'll have been right to cut GP and the club slack over this season. If time sees us not progress to where people think we're headed however, then this season will be remembered very differently.

All I will say is that I am 100% convinced that once fans are back in the ground, results will matter a LOT more to people than pathways and what's happening behind the scenes at the club. I'm not saying that's necessarily right, but that's the reality of football.

Fair enough. I appreciate you disagreeing respectfully. I do question why you expect us to be close to mid table now. We have no divine right to be so.

And it seems pretty harsh surely to criticise the manager for us losing to Palace? Come on. That game was a farce, and seems harsh to blame the manager for that robbery.

Aside from that I’m in agreement with you on some things, particularly Murray not being replaced (although that’s recruitment not the manager, no?).

And your last bit. Do you see light at the end of the tunnel with Potter in charge? For myself, and I think much of the fanbase, there’s a lot to be excited about with GP, Tony and Ashworth heading our club. We seem to be doing everything right about from getting the points our performances deserve. Have to admit, I am perplexed some can’t see that.

 

[andy1980]

Fair enough. I appreciate you disagreeing respectfully. I do question why you expect us to be close to mid table now. We have no divine right to be so.

And it seems pretty harsh surely to criticise the manager for us losing to Palace? Come on. That game was a farce, and seems harsh to blame the manager for that robbery.

Aside from that I’m in agreement with you on some things, particularly Murray not being replaced (although that’s recruitment not the manager, no?).

And your last bit. Do you see light at the end of the tunnel with Potter in charge? For myself, and I think much of the fanbase, there’s a lot to be excited about with GP, Tony and Ashworth heading our club. We seem to be doing everything right about from getting the points our performances deserve. Have to admit, I am perplexed some can’t see that.

Graham Potter needs to win 2 more games to match Hughtons 18 wins in 2 seasons. Why is that unreasonable to believe that should be the base-line? Nothing to do with being Mid table.

 

[dazzer6666]

Most interesting thing for me in that interview is Potter’s obvious passion and enthusiasm when he starts talking about the EI side of things......sounded far more animated and excited than he ever does in the tedious pre-match press conferences etc. He clearly lives and breaths this stuff.

 

[Shooting Star]

Fair enough. I appreciate you disagreeing respectfully. I do question why you expect us to be close to mid table now. We have no divine right to be so.

And it seems pretty harsh surely to criticise the manager for us losing to Palace? Come on. That game was a farce, and seems harsh to blame the manager for that robbery.

Aside from that I’m in agreement with you on some things, particularly Murray not being replaced (although that’s recruitment not the manager, no?).

And your last bit. Do you see light at the end of the tunnel with Potter in charge? For myself, and I think much of the fanbase, there’s a lot to be excited about with GP, Tony and Ashworth heading our club. We seem to be doing everything right about from getting the points our performances deserve. Have to admit, I am perplexed some can’t see that.

I don't expect us to be too close to mid-table, but I would have hoped for tangible progression from last season. So for me that would mean looking at a 14th-ish place finish, or 42 points. Admittedly that may still happen, it just looks unlikely from the season to date and looking at our run in. If it does happen, I'll be more than happy to say that we progressed this year, albeit in fits and starts.

In answer to your question, I absolutely saw the light at the end of the tunnel after the end of last season, and even after the first few games of this campaign. However from the rest of this season to date I don't feel we've progressed in almost any department from last season (aside from perhaps holding our own better against the big teams) makes me less certain that we will go from strength to strength. I hope I'm wrong though!

Oh and Palace: I suppose I'm just sick of the fact that 4 seasons in, we've only beaten them twice and no matter how bad they are, they always finish above us!

 

[Icy Gull]

There are some Albion fans who should be careful what they wish for....

I have supported Albion since the mid seventies and the only managerial departure I have been gutted and I mean gutted about was Chris Cattlin. I’d be far more gutted if GP left, whether it be here or somewhere else, in my humble opinion, he is going to retire as a legendary manager, up there with the best.

In fairness I did think Gary Hart had the potential to play at the top level when he was shining for us, in his early days at Withdean

So I accept that I may sometimes be a bit deluded in my football opinions.

 

[Shooting Star]

In fairness I did think Gary Hart had the potential to play at the top level when he was shining for us, in his early days at Withdean

Oh me too, he was my boyhood hero. OGH.

 

[andy1980]

There are some Albion fans who should be careful what they wish for....

I have supported Albion since the mid seventies and the only managerial departure I have been gutted and I mean gutted about was Chris Cattlin. I’d be far more gutted if GP left, whether it be here or somewhere else, in my humble opinion, he is going to retire as a legendary manager, up there with the best.

In fairness I did think Gary Hart had the potential to play at the top level when he was shining for us, in his early days at Withdean

So I accept that I may sometimes be a bit deluded in my football opinions.

I think he is learning his trade, hopefully if he continues his progress then he will be as much of an asset to Brighton as Barber and Bloom is, but he isn't there yet. Criticism of his failings is allowed, surely that means if he then gets praise then it means more. People spouting criticism that no one really has (like saying people want him out as we aint mid table) doesn't progress any conversation.

 

[Icy Gull]

I think he is learning his trade, hopefully if he continues his progress then he will be as much of an asset to Brighton as Barber and Bloom is, but he isn't there yet. Criticism of his failings is allowed, surely that means if he then gets praise then it means more. People spouting criticism that no one really has (like saying people want him out as we aint mid table) doen't progress any conversation.

Fill your boots, he is nowhere near the finished article YET.

 

[andy1980]

Fill your boots, he is nowhere near the finished article YET.

I hope so, but that doesn't change my believe relegation would set us back years. I think Barber has learnt his role while he has been here, but his learning never cost us anything. It has lead us to this point though. So if we can beat relegation then move forward it really could be an amazing time.

 

[Icy Gull]

I hope so, but that doesn't change my believe relegation would set us back years. I think Barber has learnt his role while he has been here, but his learning never cost us anything. It has lead us to this point though. So if we can beat relegation then move forward it really could be an amazing time.

35/1 is tempting even to this optimist....who has historically been amongst the most negative where Albion are concerned.

 

[Falmer Wizard]

Palace, they are just another team!!!!!