Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

Re: Baroness Thatcher - RIP

Stole Milk? She actually only stopped if for kids over 7 initially. It was also googling horrible. The 70s was a complete mess, winter of discontent etc.. Cant say I liked her, but she was certainly passionate, probably stsyed 6-8 years too long.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Glad you agree on the other two though. It was her conviction not to curtail to dictators that kept the Falklands British. Doubt any other PM would have. They would be speaking Spanish if not for her.

I don't agree with the other two at all - the Labour Party and trade unions still exist and please don't deflect your mistake on the Falklands by making out that I do agree on the other points.

I couldn't stand Thatcher but I won't say anything insensitive about her on the day that she died, so I would ask all Thatcher supporters like yourself to stop lauding her and exaggerating her as a super being as you may not like the responses you get from people who dislike her.

 

[Mellotron]

Can people stop going on about her "conviction", "principles", "strong leader" etc? On their own, these things are NOTHING to be celebrated. Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, etc.

Would you really want David Cameron to have MORE conviction behind his wrong ideas? Take them further, to their extremes? Of course you wouldn't.

 

[glasfryn]

How many do you know that would prefer to work down a pit to where they work now. Second thoughts, work where they were before Labour ruined the whole country? The scum round here cannot see beyond voting for any muppet that gets a red rosette pinned on them. Too bloody thick to most of them.

you really are a charmer

 

[Mellotron]

How many do you know that would prefer to work down a pit to where they work now. Second thoughts, work where they were before Labour ruined the whole country? The scum round here cannot see beyond voting for any muppet that gets a red rosette pinned on them. Too bloody thick to most of them.

Plenty on here who are debating with you AREN'T Labour voters, but carry on regardless.

 

[Poyetry In Motion]

I never really benefited nor suffered as a result of her leadership, so I had no problem with the mad old boot. She's gone and that's that. Just a name in the history books now.

 

[Pevenseagull]

I have a bottle of champagne in the fridge that was earmarked for this day but now it's happened I won't be wasting it on marking the passing of an old lady.

 

[pork pie]

The mines were viable, there's plenty of documented evidence for it that is widely available on the internet. Taking on the miners was nothing to do with the economics of the mining industry. Try reading about the Ridley Plan.

I have spent time in areas that were former mining communities, and your comments about miners and mining families does not sound remotely like my experience.

Simply bollox mate. I don't know one single person who would want to work down a pit and die young. I know one old boy who worked down the pits in Mansfield and ended up as quiet a senior engineering manager with the Coal Board. He keeps saying how lucky his two sons are to have degrees and well paid jobs, and not to have simply been sent down the pit like generations before. I know a guy who worked for me. His father was down the mines, and he ran away to the army to avoid them, because that was his only choise in those days. Obviously, he got a trade in the Army, and is glad he did not die young like his dad. The pits were no place to send our young people down. Open cast mines are another thing, but nobody wants them anywhere near them.

 

[glasfryn]

Plenty on here who are debating with you AREN'T Labour voters, but carry on regardless.

anyone who is a socialist would not vote labour now

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

This is the woman who said that Mandela is a terrorist and we should never apply sanctions to end apartheid

Ridiculous, completely the opposite actually. She was working on getting rid of Botha..... Article in Sunday Times only last weekend.

 

[brixtonA23]

Anybody find it a bit strange that everybody suddenly has a political opinion? Thatcher came in when Labour had totally screwed up economic policy. She then decided on Milton Friedman, that totally screwed up economic policy, unless you de-regulate the financial system Then Labour came back in again, with every opportunity of reversing those decisions but instead they thought to eradicate boom and bust, they would go for a massive explosion followed by the end of the world. In all those years I don't recall anybody that bothered about it. Churchill was given a state funeral(the first commoner, although when you're born at Bleinheim Palace, not that common) based not on his grasp of economics, nor his Nobel prize for literature, but the fact that he was a statesman who could take us to war. Although it was over forty years later and about a conflict that has no comparison, she made a decision that united the country behind her. State funeral. No. Statesman Yes.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

The Ashley Barnes of politics.

Cold, callous, calculating, her policies divided this country like none before or after, and the dividends are still being paid today in many parts of the country.

However, there is no joy in the death of anyone IMO.

Absolutely spot-on.

I hated ted heath when he was in power, but then he didn't seem too bad when Thatcher came along.

Now we have got Cameron and Osborne running the show, the thatcher Years almost look attractive.

I am very much on the anti side, the worst prime minister in my lifetime, and I am approaching 60, but I am not rejoicing.

 

[Silk]

You forget the "winter of discontent" that preceded her and the motion of no confidence in Callaghan that led to her election. The country was in turmoil and decline.

Oh. And it's alright now is it? Funny, most of the people who in one breath say how she changed this country for the better will be found five minutes later saying how terrible it is, and blaming Labour for all the problems that were actually caused by her policies.

 

[essbee]

it would be interesting to see the age distribution of people who have posted on this thread.

I was too young to understand the policies. For me the 80's mean carefree days of playing
footie and oh - that horror of both school and homework.

 

[pork pie]

Plenty on here who are debating with you AREN'T Labour voters, but carry on regardless.

Surely nobody but Labour socialists, gay Libs and Tree Hugging Greens would have anything bad to post against her?

 

[franks brother]

Her death is a sadness for her family, as is anyone's.

There is not place for jubilation when someone dies. She has been out of a position where she could do harm for more than 20 years.

In a strange way she left a more lasting mark on our society than did her predecessor, Callaghan ,or her successor, Major.

I just regret what that mark was.

 

[Kumquat]

My girlfriend's in tears. I said " I didn't know you liked Thatcher". She said "I don't. Why, what's happened?"

 

[Monsieur Le Plonk]

Ironically, her legacy is most obvious by looking at the Labour party. She changed the face of Britain so much that it is now entirely unthinkable for the UK electorate to vote in a socialist government a la Harold Wilson or Jim Callaghan.

Absolutely. Led to a 'can't beat them join them' approach that has manifested itself in Labour to this day..

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

anyone who is a socialist would not vote labour now

It depends how you define socialism. I class myself as a socialist. The labour party classes itself as socialist. And I still vote for them.

 

[Silk]

It depends how you define socialism. I class myself as a socialist. The labour party classes itself as socialist. And I still vote for them.

Why? Their policies are virtually indistinguishable from Cameron's.