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Barnes
- Thread starter Brightonia
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Agreed. He is a good player on his day but when things aren't going well he does not help matters whatsoever. I hope Poyet tells him where to go and drops him for a couple of games. Not good enough at this level.
He has never topped our yellow card chart (currently that's Bridcutt, who has been suspended a couple of times due to his high yellow card count, should we get rid of him? Greer has been with us for a couple of months less than Barnes and has 3 red cards to his name, and was unavailable at the start of his time with us because of another red card, should we get rid of him?)
As I said earlier, he has only received two red cards in his life and one of them shouldn't have been a red (v burnley last season when neutral sky and bbc commentators were surprised that the burnley player was given it). To get rid of him on the basis of a few cards over three seasons is very naive and short-sighted.
Seagulltonian
C'mon the Albion!
Haven't seen the incident yet, but sounds very much like the one against Burnley at home last season.
In his defence, I feel he is still learning the game, and he still has a side to him that get's frustrated very easily, when he doesn't get a free-kick from the ref., which seems to happening to him more than ever this season.
Hopefully Gus will pull him to one side and have a word with him this week, and of course with Barnes missing the next 3 games other players will now get the chance to play in his place and he might struggle to get his place back.
In his defence, I feel he is still learning the game, and he still has a side to him that get's frustrated very easily, when he doesn't get a free-kick from the ref., which seems to happening to him more than ever this season.
Hopefully Gus will pull him to one side and have a word with him this week, and of course with Barnes missing the next 3 games other players will now get the chance to play in his place and he might struggle to get his place back.
TWOCHOICEStom
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He is so immature sometimes. Attitude is massively important at this level. He needs to change.
ferring seagull
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Acker, I generally very much appreciate your posts but Greer and Bridcutt are defenders/midfielders and of course one can argue that AB is a midfielder, and that is a different consideration.
From your many posts, you appear to be something of an AB officiando, I don't think he is that great, although he has improved since Withdean days when frankly he was capable of scoring much more than 20.
You say, perhaps correctly that Ashley should not have received a red V Burnley last season but don't you remember the build up? Don't you recognise the numerous matches where his petulance has shone through ? As I said previously, he has improved but, whereas I accept we can applaud a player who can turn a game, that cannot include a player who can turn a game against us by sheer petulance.
I don't consider myself a Barnes aficionado. I will stand up for him (as I do for most of our players) when they receive unfair criticism. I am someone who highlights the unfair criticisms Barnes receives. As a player I think he is better than his detractors credit him as, but some people go too far the other way in their praise to compensate for said criticism.
There is no defence for his red card today, and I've offered none. But the reaction to only his second red card is to get rid of him because his petulance costs us. My points are:
-that it hasn't cost us anywhere near as much as people think it has (nor as much as it perhaps should, but if it cost us as much as it should it probably still wouldn't be as much as it people are acting like it has)
-Other players have shown as much petulance, and are as much a risk and no one is calling for the to be let go. You dismiss Greer's because he's a defender, yet his first red was petulant when he elbowed someone on his debut, his third was a petulant elbow v southampton when we were already 3-0 up making it even more unnecessary. (His second was v Sheffield Wed in 2011, I don't remember the circumstances). You dismiss bridcutt because he's a midfielder, then freely admit barnes has played that role a lot too.
His petulance does not cost us more than he brings to the team. Anyone who is calling for us to get rid of him are being a little reactionary to their disappointment at the loss.
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clippedgull
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Just seen it on SKY..
Barnes got dispossessed in our half down near the goalie by the corner, he picked himself up from the tackle and lunged two footed into the opposition player that had just tackled him.
Barnes got dispossessed in our half down near the goalie by the corner, he picked himself up from the tackle and lunged two footed into the opposition player that had just tackled him.
blockhseagull
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I think the point is Barnes does seem to have issues with his temper, he needs to control that if he wants to be a championship or above player. I hope he thinks about how he let his team mates down today and watching the next three games from the stands hopefully will make him think twice next time.
Just seen it on SSN. It was nothing like the one v Burnley. The one v Burnley he looked like he tried to put his body between the loose ball and the oncoming Burnley player, but as he realised the burnley player was lunging in he kinda hopped into position, then got taken out by the burnley player and fell on him. The burnley player then got up and grabbed him by the throat and the ref sent barnes off. The crowd cheered because they assumed it was the burnley player being sent off, before it dawned on them the ref was being a complete prick. The BBC and SSN commentators expressed surprise that Barnes was sent off and not the Burnley player.
This one is down in the corner, a light touch on his shoulder and barnes fell to the ground looking for a free kick that he didn't get, then he gets up and lunges in just after the cross is sent in, it looks like his leading leg misses the player, but his trailing leg that was tucked under him clearly takes out the wednesday player. It was a deserved red card, I think. Even brighton press (naylo, bbc sussex), having watched the replay at half time agreed it was a red.
ferring seagull
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Acker, Somehow I don't necessarily disagree with you in some respects.
Greer hasn't been too bad recently, Bridcutt does what he has to do for the team, I just hope it is not a Southern American influence as I would be disappointed if we hear more 'dirty Brighton' comments from others.
Barnes got annoyed with the decision that went against him, from my view, went into the shin, one footed, looked like studs up, absolutely a red card.
I'm a fan of Ashley Barnes, I know he will get a lot of stick for this, and I can understand why, but at the end of the day, the team in general were pretty poor, first goal was scored by a completely unmarked man, second goal rolled into the back of the net. We've really got to put this game behind us, Gus will give Barnes a good talking to, I think he just lets his emotion take over too much, but 3 goals in 4 games, I think people need to really think before they slate him.
And that is why I defend him. Greer was petulant in his red cards, and at the time I don't recall threads calling for him to go. Then he goes on to not be so bad with his petulance. Barnes is petulant and gets threads like this. Bridcutt gets regular yellow cards and he's doing it for the team, Barnes does it and he's too much of a risk for us.
ferring seagull
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Frankly I don't particularly care about GG as he has, overall, done a decent job since the time he came in and whereas, I certainly do not appreciate his 'petulance' !!! But we have moved on since GG arrived from STFC and he should no longer be a consideration for the Albion. By comparison, Bridcutt is seriously important to the Albion whereas by comparison AB is not (my opinion) although as I stated previously, he has improved greatly over the past two years.
The question is whether or not we can, after this, condone ANY player who is going to compromise our league position by sheer stupidity or petulance.
Perfect summation of my feelings.
Another point that occurred to me after posting is that Greer was much older and showing his petulance, Barnes is still young and still improving, and is more likely to curb his petulance.
But to your question, I disagree. a) No one is condoning compromising our position due to consistent or regular sheer stupidity or petulance, within reason (sometimes points are lost due to mistakes through immaturity or petulance, and I think once in a while is not ideal but acceptable because they are human beings) . b) the question is does barnes compromise our league position through consistent or regular sheer stupidity or petulance and the answer to that for me, is no.
20 goals in league one, top scorer last season, 7 goals so far this season with 5 assists, versatility on the pitch playing for the team doing what us as of him, man of the match 3 times (Only three players have more this season). His petulance came when we were 1-0 down in the 84th competitive game since we last came from behind to win (in normal time), at a ground we've never won at, against a team that is high in the form table over the last 8 games.
No excuses for what he did, but his petulance hasn't cost us our league position in the long run.
murraymints4brighton
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It's seriously frustrating listening to the endless Barnes debate on here. This and that is said and repeated, pages and pages are written yet for me personally its a very simple issue. He does a decent job, chips in with goals occasionally. But are there better players at the club who could do "a job" and a little bit more? Yes. Thats why I am continuously perplexed as to why Gus plays him. The phrase I hate in football most is that of "could do a job". Thats what can be said of Barnes. He works hard, defend's well yet in aiming for the Premier League his position in the team is one that could be performed by a host of other players and in doing so done better.
Such as?
In 7 out of our 29 games this season he has tried other players. Gus keeps going back to Barnes.
Was on a train to Stockport after the game and Big Pole was on the train too (made my little boys day). He said the sending off changed the game, the pich was shit and we couldn't pass on it, and that they were, shall we say, a bit rough!!! When I asked him if it was a red card, he said "oh yeah, he got him".