Barnes not started in the last few games & we look worse ?

[LamieRobertson]

Just putting the question out there
But is barnes a better player than people give him credit for not started recently and results not improving if anything we look worse in the last couple of games
If you look back to watfords 2nd goal the space two Watford players had in midfield before the ball ended up in the back of the net was dreadful no pressing up the pitch no one closing either player down do we miss a player like Barnes who's a good player without the ball (yes I know what your thinking & yes Im waiting for the jokes at that statement )
He also chips in with a few goals as well

Happy new year

I'd be even more interested in that post if you had included can we play Orlandi and Lopez at the same time (even if Lopez can score a penalty)...we looked lightweight in midfield

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

You're clearly fairly new to NSC but certain things are not allowed to be said... Nobody can criticise El-Abd, and we only loose because of our strikers who are all woeful and you cannot make positive comments about them. Barnes adds a huge amount to our team especially in a defensive outlook that we have as we try to accommodate some extremely slow players in our squad

With all due respect Perkino, what could possibly possess any right-minded individual to spell 'lose' as 'loose'? They don't even sound the same!

 

[Soulman]

Interesting thread. It could be that not having Barnes in the side has resulted in a dip in form. He does get stuck in and is certainly not light weight.
I'm wondering though if a few other factors also contribute to the poor displays in the last few games.
El-Ad got injured, has come back but looks a tad out of sorts. Bruno looked to have an injury a couple of games before he actually missed some games, and has not looked completely right since he came back. Bridge the same imo, both the full backs have seemed off the pace and not bombed forward as before.
Orlandi was doing well until he got that cracked rib, he did not look as good on his first game back.
So you have 4 players that are not performing as well as they were a couple of months back.
Wev'e also gone a few games where no striker has scored.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Interesting thread. It could be that not having Barnes in the side has resulted in a dip in form. He does get stuck in and is certainly not light weight.
I'm wondering though if a few other factors also contribute to the poor displays in the last few games.
El-Ad got injured, has come back but looks a tad out of sorts. Bruno looked to have an injury a couple of games before he actually missed some games, and has not looked completely right since he came back. Bridge the same imo, both the full backs have seemed off the pace and not bombed forward as before.
Orlandi was doing well until he got that cracked rib, he did not look as good on his first game back.
So you have 4 players that are not performing as well as they were a couple of months back.
Wev'e also gone a few games where no striker has scored.

talent but low confidence at mo

 

[Acker79]

He's definitely better than some fans give him credit for.

The pattern for the season as a whole:
Over 30% of our league goals have been conceded in the 25% of game time that Barnes isn't involved in
Conversely, over 81% of he goals we've scored have come in the 75% of time he is on the pitch.

Regarding the specific example of Watford, I thought when he first came on he was a little quiet, and should have done more to stop the shot for their second goal (he was stood right beside Vydra and didn't look like he tried to do anything), but when Dobbie and Hoskins came on he played really well, playing some great balls to them and lualua, and cms, Despite the pattern mentioned above, with Barnes on the pitch v watford we conceded 2 in 36 minutes, only one without him him for 61minutes (including injury time).

 

[Acker79]

With all due respect Perkino, what could possibly possess any right-minded individual to spell 'lose' as 'loose'? They don't even sound the same!

Choose and chose: which one sounds more like lose?

 

[Perkino]

With all due respect Perkino, what could possibly possess any right-minded individual to spell 'lose' as 'loose'? They don't even sound the same!

I'd like to blame my iPad or the fact it was 2:30 in the morning, but it's more likely that I'm a moron

 

[Mutts Nuts]

Lopez was disappointing on Saturday which was a bit odd as in the previous game I thought he'd finally settled in.

As for Barnes, he made a difference when he came on and when he plays in that more central role I think he could actually be better as a box to box midfielder. He defends well, tracks back and tackles, plus (regardless of what his myopic detractors say) he is capable of some really good link up play.

The problem is that when he hits a patch of bad form, Gus refuses to drop him and that makes it easy for people to slag him off.

One other thing, I met him the other day at the kids do, and (again contrary to all this bad attitude bollocks) he was a really nice guy, incredibly polite and really making an effort with the kids. This reiterates what my missus said to me previously, as the players use the Virgin Active gym, and she reckons he's the politest one of them all (and he's not even the one she fancies).

Maybe shes the one he fancies

 

[Monkey Man]

I thought Barnes had some great touches when he came on against Watford.

Never met the guy but he comes across as a diligent, hardworking player who relishes the opportunity to better himself as he gains experience. I hope he's also level-headed enough to ignore the slightly crazed criticism that comes his way but it can't be easy to put in a brilliant performance when you sense there are thousands of people waiting for you to play a stray ball, mistime a tackle or scuff a shot on goal.

 

[luppers]

Please convey some of these comments to some of the morons in the East Upper stand. Barnes was booed when he name was read out at the start, booed when he came on, booed or sarcastic comments every time he touched the ball,and some even got up and left when he came on! as I said on another thread what a way to improve a players confidence.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Please convey some of these comments to some of the morons in the East Upper stand. Barnes was booed when he name was read out at the start, booed when he came on, booed or sarcastic comments every time he touched the ball,and some even got up and left when he came on! as I said on another thread what a way to improve a players confidence.

The exact same was happening behind me, sad really and when he does score - you just know he will do the cupped ears celebration - rightfully so.

Think he should start against Ipswich now, had a few games on the bench and Spanish Dave hasnt exactly set the world on fire except 2 penalties, maybe swap them around - something needs to be tried.

 

[otk]

One good thing about Barnes is the ball sticks to him, and he can play the lay-off or out to the wing ball comfortably. Another factor is that Dicker hasn't played for a while. He got slated regularly for giving the ball away, but in his central role pulling the strings, he was complemented from behind by Bridcutt, and Barnes in front, forming a central spine, and isn't really adequately replaced by Hammond/Crofts/Orlandi/Lopez

It seems since this triumvirate has been broken up we haven't been getting the results

 

[Monkey Man]

Please convey some of these comments to some of the morons in the East Upper stand. Barnes was booed when he name was read out at the start, booed when he came on, booed or sarcastic comments every time he touched the ball,and some even got up and left when he came on! as I said on another thread what a way to improve a players confidence.

Some people near me in ESL are as bad. Barnes gets slated by them all through the game, even when he's not playing.

Proud as I am of the club, the stadium, the huge crowds and the history behind it all - I've never been more convinced that a significant percentage of our fans are pretty clueless, and some just plain stupid.

 

[chez]

Just putting the question out there
But is barnes a better player than people give him credit for not started recently and results not improving if anything we look worse in the last couple of games
If you look back to watfords 2nd goal the space two Watford players had in midfield before the ball ended up in the back of the net was dreadful no pressing up the pitch no one closing either player down do we miss a player like Barnes who's a good player without the ball (yes I know what your thinking & yes Im waiting for the jokes at that statement )
He also chips in with a few goals as well

Happy new year

Didn't we concede all 3 goals within 15 minutes of him coming on the pitch?

Not saying they were all his fault but he was on the pitch.

 

[T soprano]

Didn't we concede all 3 goals within 15 minutes of him coming on the pitch?

Not saying they were all his fault but he was on the pitch.

I knew I wouldn't get away with that one, half an hour after Posting I thought bollocks Barnes came on as a sub before we got the penalty
( dont get away with anything on NSC)
Oh well maybe Barnes is shit after all
I did try and defend him though

 

[Weststander]

Personally liking Barnes, who has been incredible value for his goals, and his non-whinging commitment to be played out of position, in a bizarre way I've been relieved for him that he hasn't been a starter during this awful form we've shown.

It's meant he hasn't the predictable punch bag from the 25% of NSCers who can't stand him.

 

[Acker79]

Didn't we concede all 3 goals within 15 minutes of him coming on the pitch?

Not saying they were all his fault but he was on the pitch.

Barnes came on in the 59th minute. We we're one down already (we conceded the first goal on 54).

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, this doesn't match the pattern of the season as a whole:
with barnes:
1693mins
score: 26 (1 every 65mins)
concede: 18 (1 every 94mins)

without barnes
609mins
score: 6 (1 every 101.5mins)
concede: 8 (1 every 76mins)

 

[BensGrandad]

I am not sure that Barnes is the answer to our midfield problems but similarly playing Lopez and Orlandi in central midfield together isn't either as Lopez looked totally lost as if he didn't know where he was supposed to play or what he was supposed to do. IMHO Croft was on the field for 74 mins before being subbed and that was 73 mins too long

 

[LamieRobertson]

Barnes came on in the 59th minute. We we're one down already (we conceded the first goal on 54).

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, this doesn't match the pattern of the season as a whole:
with barnes:
1693mins
score: 26 (1 every 65mins)
concede: 18 (1 every 94mins)

without barnes
609mins
score: 6 (1 every 101.5mins)
concede: 8 (1 every 76mins)

dam someone with facts...rather than perception

 

[LamieRobertson]

I am not sure that Barnes is the answer to our midfield problems but similarly playing Lopez and Orlandi in central midfield together isn't either as Lopez looked totally lost as if he didn't know where he was supposed to play or what he was supposed to do. IMHO Croft was on the field for 74 mins before being subbed and that was 73 mins too long

were they central midfield? but i agree both in same side ..nah