[Albion] Baleba's second yellow

[Uh_huh_him]

To be fair, Arsenal fans bayed for blood over the second yellows for Rice against us and Trossard against City earlier this season, and I'm not sure their moaning moved the needle at all.

Both cards were universally accepted as correct (but harsh) decisions.

 

[pigmanovich]

Both cards were universally accepted as correct (but harsh) decisions.

Sure, but I don't trust the PL to make rule changes only in cases where the inciting decisions were wrong, as opposed to those where the big clubs made enough noise. Not that things played out that way in this instance.

 

[Bakero]

I rewatched the second yellow incident this morning and was flabbergasted. Shocking decision. As has been said, VAR really should be able to step in in these situations

 

[Seagull58]

I dont think bias comes into it - it was just a bad decision. I think what is wrong is that VAR can't review a 2nd yellow - that's just daft. VAR is there to correct any major errors - to exclude 2nd yellows from the process is just silly.

Attwell has an agenda against Brighton. He was referee in the infamous Tottenham match when he got 2 goals disallowed and 2 penalties turned down. He is a biased **** as well as an incompetent referee.

 

[Justice]

First yellow is irrelevant.
The second one is not even a challenge he just ran 5 yards in a straight line.
Attwell of course was the referee at Spurs in the worst officiated game in history

I agree he does come across biased against us they shouldn’t have that last corner IMO the game had run out of time it was on 8 or 9 minutes by then. Lewis Cook amazingly never got booked either with at least four bad tackles. I’m quite sure when they scored Pedro had been fouled earlier in the build up.

 

[Seagull58]

I agree he does come across biased against us they shouldn’t have that last corner IMO the game had run out of time it was on 8 or 9 minutes by then. Lewis Cook amazingly never got booked either with at least four bad tackles. I’m quite sure when they scored Pedro had been fouled earlier in the build up.

Pedro was also smashed into just before Attwell imagined Baleba's foul for the second yellow.

 

[Milano]

This is the legacy of Coote. NOW I can envisage a world where someone 'like' Attwell might hold a grudge against a particular club, and whilst he might not downright cheat he would never consider trying to own up to or to correct a mistake.

Altough as previously mentioned, Attwell wasn't going to issue a card until the 4th official stepped in.

I do feel a bit for refs though, Kerkez acted like he'd broken his ankle, in reality I'm not sure Carlos even touched him? The cheating in the EPL is beyond bad now.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

If a mechanism exists for it to be overturned then it will be overturned shirley

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

If a mechanism exists for it to be overturned then it will be overturned shirley

Club can't appeal, the ref can include in his report that he made an error of judgement. It will not change the situation though

 

[American Seagle]

What is the reason for not being able to appeal a red card from two yellows? Doesn't this mean that referees would stop b giving straight reds and give two yellows instead to avoid any potential appeals? What is stopping that from happening?

 

[Han Solo]

This is the legacy of Coote. NOW I can envisage a world where someone 'like' Attwell might hold a grudge against a particular club, and whilst he might not downright cheat he would never consider trying to own up to or to correct a mistake.

Altough as previously mentioned, Attwell wasn't going to issue a card until the 4th official stepped in.

I do feel a bit for refs though, Kerkez acted like he'd broken his ankle, in reality I'm not sure Carlos even touched him? The cheating in the EPL is beyond bad now.

This is the key. The best way to improve refereeing in the Premier League is if 22 people stop trying to cheat him for 90 minutes.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Attwell has an agenda against Brighton. He was referee in the infamous Tottenham match when he got 2 goals disallowed and 2 penalties turned down. He is a biased **** as well as an incompetent referee.

3 penalties

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I agree he does come across biased against us they shouldn’t have that last corner IMO the game had run out of time it was on 8 or 9 minutes by then. Lewis Cook amazingly never got booked either with at least four bad tackles. I’m quite sure when they scored Pedro had been fouled earlier in the build up.

He was fouled, but Atwell played 'an advantage', which didn't pan out.

 

[Triggaaar]

What you can't do is appeal against a yellow given for the award of a 'foul' where there is debate around 'was it a foul'. Just imagine the number of appeals that could go in on a Monday morning

But it would make sense to be able to appeal 2nd yellows. Not so many of them.

 

[Triggaaar]

He was fouled, but Atwell played 'an advantage', which didn't pan out.

It panned out exactly as he hoped.

 

[Triggaaar]

This is the key. The best way to improve refereeing in the Premier League is if 22 people stop trying to cheat him for 90 minutes.

Players trying to cheat had existed long before the PL has. That can't be solved.

 

[Han Solo]

Players trying to cheat had existed long before the PL has. That can't be solved.

And so did ref mistakes, but apparently that can be solved because people demand it to be solved all the time.

Just too bad it is seen as impossible and against nature to promote fair play on the pitch. I'm not so sure its as impossible as people think.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

does no foul committed not count as technical issue? i know. but there wasn't. or one could argue the Bournemouth players was committing the foul, sliding in out of control. bit silly but so was the yellow.

what we should be asking is why the VAR "obvious error" doesn't count. had it been a straight red there would have been a review. we should also be asking when the authorities will introduce bans or other consequences for play acting, because if the Bournmouth player had simply got up there's be no card.

Taking off my Brighton hat.....was is really obviously not a foul? Imagine that maybe it was, after that, whether the foul warrants a booking is determined by lots of subjective issues that referees are allowed to mull over....the 'totting up' process, for example. Or 'persistent' naughtiness as it states on the little book of badly-written rules.

Oh, and VAR does not intrude over yellow cards because, apparently supporters just want the game to flow, and are happy to lose goals and players in order to achieve this state of grace.

(I'm in favour of more VAR but it means the ref ceding the decision to a man in a darkened room with a screen and, apparently, that would undermine the sanctity and magnificence of the game).

 

[Han Solo]

Taking off my Brighton hat.....was is really obviously not a foul? Imagine that maybe it was, after that, whether the foul warrants a booking is determined by lots of subjective issues that referees are allowed to mull over....the 'totting up' process, for example. Or 'persistent' naughtiness as it states on the little book of badly-written rules.

Oh, and VAR does not intrude over yellow cards because, apparently supporters just want the game to flow, and are happy to lose goals and players in order to achieve this state of grace.

(I'm in favour of more VAR but it means the ref ceding the decision to a man in a darkened room with a screen and, apparently, that would undermine the sanctity and magnificence of the game).

It was not a foul, but its a situation that certainly looks like a foul from various angles.

I think what happened was that viewing this very rapid incident from one single angle that may not have been optimal, he thought Baleba caught the opponent and gave him his second yellow card.

Or its all a conspiracy and all the refs are working hard to help big teams like Bournemouth. Dunno.

Either way we need refs who can see every incident from every angle (robots or AI), because clearly as a species we're psychologically and physically unable to accept mistakes, to the point where human referees has now run its course.

 

[dazzer6666]

Pedro was also smashed into just before Attwell imagined Baleba's foul for the second yellow.

Ref played advantage........which was fair enough but he should have booked the Muff player when play next stopped.