Average points needed to go up!

[Kalimantan Gull]

Oh my god some people really are going MENTAL! If you get enough points to finish above the team with enough points to be THIRD then you TAKE THEIR PLACE as the THIRD team in the division.

In order to go up automatically you have to get enough points to TAKE THE PLACE of the team who would otherwise finish SECOND!

If last season whoever finished 3rd had 75 points and whoever finished second has 80, had we had actually done a shit lot better and got 76 we would have got more than the 3rd place team but not enough to be second and go up! How do people not get this?

Because in this scenario we aren't entering the league as a new team, we are taking the place of the second-placed team.

So if the team who finished second had actually got 76 points rather than 80, they would still have finished second.

 

[SEAGULLS TILL I DIE]

For the record, the points total of the team in 2nd for the past 6 seasons was; 86, 89, 82, 85, 79, 86.

So an average of 84.5.

So STID's idea of another 20 points (meaning we'll be on 82), would (according to these pointless sums) mean we finish third.

ok children let me explain
we do not need to finish above 2nd as we will be the 2nd place team, we are already in the top two!
if 2nd place finished on 88 and third place finished on 80, you do not need the 88 points, you need 81, the other 7 are luxary points.
for example: when hull finished 2nd with 86, tranmere got 79 in third place, if we were told now that third place were going to get 79 points, we would only need 80...understand
so this is why i did third place so we could add a point and know what we may need to get in the top two.
i can see how you got confused but you have made something simple seem confusing when it isn't!

 

[SEAGULLS TILL I DIE]

Oh my god some people really are going MENTAL! If you get enough points to finish above the team with enough points to be THIRD then you TAKE THEIR PLACE as the THIRD team in the division.

In order to go up automatically you have to get enough points to TAKE THE PLACE of the team who would otherwise finish SECOND!

If last season whoever finished 3rd had 75 points and whoever finished second has 80, had we had actually done a shit lot better and got 76 we would have got more than the 3rd place team but not enough to be second and go up! How do people not get this?

haha do you not realise we are already in the top two
how do people not get this, ridiculous!

 

[Bakero]

ok children let me explain
we do not need to finish above 2nd as we will be the 2nd place team, we are already in the top two!
if 2nd place finished on 88 and third place finished on 80, you do not need the 88 points, you need 81, the other 7 are luxary points.
for example: when hull finished 2nd with 86, tranmere got 79 in third place, if we were told now that third place were going to get 79 points, we would only need 80...understand
so this is why i did third place so we could add a point and know what we may need to get in the top two.
i can see how you got confused but you have made something simple seem confusing when it isn't!

This

 

[Finch]

Oh my god some people really are going MENTAL! If you get enough points to finish above the team with enough points to be THIRD then you TAKE THEIR PLACE as the THIRD team in the division.

Unless you were in the first two positions to begin with. Then you simply stay in the top 2, above the third.

i.e.

Position 1 (lets call it Seagulls)
Position 2 (lets call it Bournemouth)
Position 3 (lets call it Huddersfield)

If Huddersfield was to FINISH third on 79, Bournemouth didn't need 86 points, they only needed 80. You are thinking, what if position 4 (lets call them Southampton) got 85?? Well then Huddersfield aren't actually position 3 are they (we are looking at the finished table history, not some what if scenario).

 

[acrossthepond]

So if I have two beans, and add another two beans, what do I have again?

 

[stss30]

ok children let me explain
we do not need to finish above 2nd as we will be the 2nd place team, we are already in the top two!
if 2nd place finished on 88 and third place finished on 80, you do not need the 88 points, you need 81, the other 7 are luxary points.
for example: when hull finished 2nd with 86, tranmere got 79 in third place, if we were told now that third place were going to get 79 points, we would only need 80...understand
so this is why i did third place so we could add a point and know what we may need to get in the top two.
i can see how you got confused but you have made something simple seem confusing when it isn't!

No The league table would be 2nd Hull 86
3rd Brighton 80
4th Tranmere 79
In this instance- unless you meant Hull were first, although I do agree that if your are already in the top two you only need one more point than third

 

[Trufflehound]

So if I have two beans, and add another two beans, what do I have again?

Some League One champions.

Can't we just try to get more points than all the other teams? I believe that's Gus's target.

Then we wouldn't have to bother with all this maths mullarkey...

 

[Mackenzie]

Clearly if you're counting 1st, 2nd and 3rd as being teams other than the Albion, and we beat third, then of course you are not necessarily second, but impicit in the original point that 3rd place average points is a nads under 82, so 82 would put you above 3rd, and be one of the two teams in first or second.

Sorry Tricky Dicky this made me laugh.

This is all much too early in the day for me.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Some League One champions.

Can't we just try to get more points than all the other teams? I believe that's Gus's target.

Then we wouldn't have to bother with all this maths mullarkey...

Well said that man,lets just win the thing....end of.....

 

[sam86]

ok children let me explain
we do not need to finish above 2nd as we will be the 2nd place team, we are already in the top two!
if 2nd place finished on 88 and third place finished on 80, you do not need the 88 points, you need 81, the other 7 are luxary points.
for example: when hull finished 2nd with 86, tranmere got 79 in third place, if we were told now that third place were going to get 79 points, we would only need 80...understand
so this is why i did third place so we could add a point and know what we may need to get in the top two.
i can see how you got confused but you have made something simple seem confusing when it isn't!

What?!? But if you are already placing us in the top two for your sums to work, then what is the point of the equation?!
You can't work out a points total for us to finish in the top two, if it relies on us being one of the top two!
Yes, your sums/equation works, but it is a totally pointless one.

Just stop for a minute, and read this sentence again:

for example: when hull finished 2nd with 86, tranmere got 79 in third place, if we were told now that third place were going to get 79 points, we would only need 80...understand

It's a complete an utter pointless sum. You may as well have done no maths what so ever, and just started a thread saying if Southampton come third with 85 points, then we need 86 to get promoted.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

If every team currently in the top six (apart from the Albion) got 2 points per game for the rest of the season, 83 points would be enough to get promoted.

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

If every team currently in the top six (apart from the Albion) got 2 points per game for the rest of the season, 83 points would be enough to get promoted.

Here endeth the lesson!
class dismissed,no running in the corridors.

 

[drew]

Unbelievable! Some people seem to have confused running the race with actually finishing. Eg, If when running a race you overtake the person in second place, you are then in second place. However, if, after everyone has crossed the line, you have done so before the person in second place then you are in fact first.

This idea that if at the finish you have more points than the team in third and therefore take their place is ludicrous. Why? Because then the team you overtook are actually in fourth place at the finish and not third!!!

 

[Napper]

Is this still going on ?

Lets just get 2 points a game and get promoted

 

[Seagull1967]

YEAR 3RD 2ND Champions
98/99 82 87 101
99/00 85 88 95
00/01 86 91 93
01/02 83 84 90
02/03 83 86 100
03/04 82 83 90
04/05 79 86 98
05/06 76 79 82
06/07 83 85 91
07/08 80 82 92
08/09 87 89 96
09/10 85 86 95

Average 83 86 94


From Brighton's position of 62 points and getting 2nd they will require 24 points from 15 games at an average of 1.57 points per game.
With the likelihood of becoming champions from out current position we require a further 32 points at an average of 2.11 points per game.

Lies, damn Lies and statistics

 

[hola gus]

Your not the only one its confusing Tricky Dicky. Its got me too! So you finish a point above 3rd but your not 2nd? Ooooooookkkkkkkk then!

 

[Joe Gatting's Dad]

As we have won 18 out of 31, logic would suggest 8 wins, 4 draws and 3 defeats = 28 more points and a total of 90 - 2nd place guaranteed and probably top!

 

[Braders]

Wednesday ?
What have Wednesday got to do with it ?

despite them being SHITE so far this season , they are still a massively tough game , ok through bully-boy tactics up at Hillsborough earlier this season, but none the less

 

[Exiled in Exeter]

Updated table attached. The Albion now have 71 points from 34 games.



This would give us a top six position in two of the last nine seasons – even without any further points attained this season.

If you take 85 to be the average for finishing second and automatic promotion, the Albion would need a further 14 points. They could get this by winning five and losing seven of the twelve remaining. Or winning three, drawing five and losing four etc.

If you take 93 points being the average to the win the league, the Albion would need a further 22 points. They could get this by winning seven, drawing one and losing four games. Or by winning six, drawing four and losing two etc.