Ashley Barnes

[B.W.]

Do you make it up as you go along? A lot on here appreciate his skills as a Championship striker. He is better than some other strikers we've had at this level but not as good as others. He isn't dire as a lot of other posters would have you believe. Using hyperbole just diminishes your opinions.

I said he was average at our level. Hardly hyperbole, is it?

 

[B.W.]

You can say it as many times as you like. It's still codswallop.

... in your opinion...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I said he was average at our level. Hardly hyperbole, is it?

That wasn't the hyperbolic phrase in your post.

 

[zego]

Some persepctive on this whole shots to goal bs

Here are the statistics. (5 goals minimum)

[SIZE=3][FONT=courier new]Player       Apps     Shots  Goals  Conversion Rate %
                                                  
Hernandez    9(13)     44     10     22.73
Le-Fondre    11(23)    55     12     21.82
Podolski     25(8)     54     11     20.37
Fletcher     28        55     11     20.00
Berbatov     32(1)     81     15     18.52
Van-Persie   35(3)    141     26     18.44
Benteke      32(2)    104     19     18.27
Lukaku       20(15)    97     17     17.53
Long         25(9)     48      8     16.67
Michu        35       110     18     16.36
Crouch       28(6)     43      7     16.28
Walcott      24(8)     87     14     16.09
Lambert      35(3)     94     15     15.96
Sturridge    12(9)     70     11     15.71
Pogrebnyak   26(3)     33      5     15.15
Holt         28(6)     53      8     15.09
Dzeko        16(16)    94     14     14.89
Hazard       31(3)     63      9     14.29
Rooney       22(5)     86     12     13.95
Aguero       22(8)     86     12     13.95
Walters      38        59      8     13.56
Bale         33       165     21     12.73
Suarez       33       187     23     12.3
Kone         32(2)     92     11     11.96
Adebayor     18(7)     42      5     11.9
Torres       28(8)     68      8     11.76
Demba-Ba     30(4)    135     15     11.11
Tevez        28(6)    105     11     10.48
Giroud       24(10)   107     11     10.28
Defoe        27(7)    108     11     10.19
Cisse        35(1)     86      8      9.3
Anichebe     19(7)     65      6      9.23
Carroll      22(4)     81      7      8.64
Jelavic      26(11)    85      7      8.24
Di-Santo     24(11)    65      5      7.69[/FONT][/SIZE]

Taken the liberty of adding "code" control.

 

[Brighton Mod]

he wears the stripes and I support him, don't think everything he does is great. he is not the man to take us up on his own and twice in the last two seasons he has missed crucial opportunities, missed penalty against Reading in the final run in and the missed opportunity against \palace that may well have taken us up. he does have a suspect temperament, is great at looking to the skies and holding his head in his hands, seen too much of that this season. I feel he needs to really concentrate on his game and am not sure if he will ever make that transition. For some on here to lionise him I find difficult to understand, he is a supporting player, capable of scoring some goals, his Arsenal header was fantastic, but not one to be totally relied on.

 

[Sheebo]

[/B]

oh dear.....

It means he played in a team that was all out attack, how many did he score against that seasons champions?

1 in 2... which is v good. Both CMS and Barnes are good finishers, but like all strikers they will miss some.

 

[B.W.]

That wasn't the hyperbolic phrase in your post.

Indeed, but it's bang on.

 

[B.W.]

Best off-load "old man" Ulloa then as he must be past his peak.

No, I said Barnes was nearing his peak. He is. Ulloa is at his. Suggest you read more carefully.

 

[B.W.]

he wears the stripes and I support him, don't think everything he does is great. he is not the man to take us up on his own and twice in the last two seasons he has missed crucial opportunities, missed penalty against Reading in the final run in and the missed opportunity against \palace that may well have taken us up. he does have a suspect temperament, is great at looking to the skies and holding his head in his hands, seen too much of that this season. I feel he needs to really concentrate on his game and am not sure if he will ever make that transition. For some on here to lionise him I find difficult to understand, he is a supporting player, capable of scoring some goals, his Arsenal header was fantastic, but not one to be totally relied on.

Spot and, indeed, on. You just said it much better than me.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

1 in 2... which is v good. Both CMS and Barnes are good finishers, but like all strikers they will miss some.

You misread the quote. That season's champions were ourselves, and CMS did not score. Tomlin scored at Withdean and we murdered them away. TBH doesn't prove anything either way, just find the anti- Barnes sentiment very tiring.

CMS is good at a lower level and that can't be denied, but IMO has not proven himself in the Championship, nor will he (unfortunately).

Same could be argued of Barnes, but considering where he has been played, his movement, creativity, delivery and defensive attributes provide a far more convincing argument for me.

 

[B.W.]

To be honest you can not possibly know that.
I pose you this question:
How can you tell if someone has peaked if they have not passed a peak already?
I suppose you could look at certain differentials of form as a function of time but I doubt you have. Would be interested to see the data if you have though.

I believe that most players peak in their mid to late 20's...

 

[B.W.]

You misread the quote. That season's champions were ourselves, and CMS did not score. Tomlin scored at Withdean and we murdered them away. TBH doesn't prove anything either way, just find the anti- Barnes sentiment very tiring.

CMS is good at a lower level and that can't be denied, but IMO has not proven himself in the Championship, nor will he (unfortunately).

Same could be argued of Barnes, but considering where he has been played, his movement, creativity, delivery and defensive attributes provide a far more convincing argument for me.

Barnes has not proved himself in the Championship as anything other than an average striker.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I believe that most players peak in their mid to late 20's...

But Barnes is only 23!

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Barnes has not proved himself in the Championship as anything other than an average striker.

Try reading the last para again..... iMO he provides a better argument than CMS.

We certainly missed him today and with his positional sense may have got us something.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

I like Ashley and think the abuse he's received by haters has been obscene and unfair at times. No doubt he's a good player and can score goals in the champ, but i must admit if the board are serious about promotion, we do need better.500k does seem a tad cheap for me and doubt he'll go to Burnley, but you never know

This with knobs on...good promising young player...his let down is control of his temperment...any player who comes back from a red card then trips the ref up must have issues...if he could cut that out I'd be happy if he stayed...

 

[yxee]

Barnes has not proved himself in the Championship as anything other than an average striker.

He's probably played no more than 10 games as a striker in this league, and has scored some excellent striker's goals in those games.

It's like putting Upson in goal then when he fails to keep a clean sheet, saying "he's not a very good centre back is he"

 

[TSB]

Pete O'Rourke ‏@SkySportsPeteO 3m
Brighton have rejected a third bid from Championship rivals Burnley for Ashley Barnes. #bhafc #clarets

 

[Bladders]

Pete O'Rourke ‏@SkySportsPeteO 3m
Brighton have rejected a third bid from Championship rivals Burnley for Ashley Barnes. #bhafc #clarets

Wonder how much it was?

 

[TSB]

Wonder how much it was?

About time Naylor did his job and found out.

 

[albionite]

Nice that we are turning bids down for our players, but what I want to hear is who are we bidding for.