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To be fair though, the reason the millennium bug turned out to be not such a big deal was mainly due to the massive amount of remedial work that was done globally though the late 90's.
That, and it didn't exist. The text below from Wikipedia, where reference links can be found.

Supporting view

This view holds that the vast majority of problems were fixed correctly, and the money spent was at least partially justified. The situation was essentially one of preemptive alarm. Those who hold this view claim that the lack of problems at the date change reflects the completeness of the project, and that many computer applications would not have continued to function into the 21st century without correction or remediation.

Expected problems that were not seen by small businesses and small organizations were prevented by Y2K fixes embedded in routine updates to operating system and utility software that were applied several years before 31 December 1999.

The extent to which larger industry and government fixes averted issues that would have more significant impacts had they not been fixed, were typically not disclosed or widely reported.

It has been suggested that on 11 September 2001, infrastructure in New York City (including subways, phone service, and financial transactions) was able to continue operation because of the redundant networks established in the event of Y2K bug impact and the contingency plans devised by companies. The terrorist attacks and the following prolonged blackout to lower Manhattan had minimal effect on global banking systems. Backup systems were activated at various locations around the region, many of which had been established to deal with a possible complete failure of networks in Manhattan's Financial District on 31 December 1999.

Opposing view

The contrary view asserts that there were no, or very few, critical problems to begin with. This view also asserts that there would have been only a few minor mistakes and that a "fix on failure" approach would have been the most efficient and cost-effective way to solve these problems as they occurred.

International Data Corporation estimated that the US might have wasted $40 billion.

Sceptics of the need for a massive effort pointed to the absence of Y2K-related problems occurring before 1 January 2000, even though the 2000 financial year commenced in 1999 in many jurisdictions, and a wide range of forward-looking calculations involved dates in 2000 and later years. Estimates undertaken in the leadup to 2000 suggested that around 25% of all problems should have occurred before 2000. Critics of large-scale remediation argued during 1999 that the absence of significant reported problems in non-compliant small firms was evidence that there had been, and would be, no serious problems needing to be fixed in any firm, and that the scale of the problem had therefore been severely overestimated.

Countries such as South Korea and Russia invested little to nothing in Y2K remediation, yet had the same negligible Y2K problems as countries that spent enormous sums of money. Western countries anticipated such severe problems in Russia that many issued travel advisories and evacuated non-essential staff.

Critics also cite the lack of Y2K-related problems in schools, many of which undertook little or no remediation effort. By 1 September 1999, only 28% of US schools had achieved compliance for mission critical systems, and a government report predicted that "Y2K failures could very well plague the computers used by schools to manage payrolls, student records, online curricula, and building safety systems".

Similarly, there were few Y2K-related problems in an estimated 1.5 million small businesses that undertook no remediation effort. On 3 January 2000 (the first weekday of the year), the Small Business Administration received an estimated 40 calls from businesses with computer issues, similar to the average. None of the problems were critical.
 




PeakGull

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That's from the free version right?

v4 fares better:

Selecting an all-time best starting eleven for a football team like Brighton & Hove Albion is challenging and subjective as it depends on individual's preferences and knowledge. Furthermore, it's important to remember that Brighton have a history spanning more than a century, and it's challenging to compare players from different eras due to changes in the game, tactics, and player conditioning.

However, based on the impact and contribution they've made to the club up to my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, here is an all-time Brighton & Hove Albion starting eleven:

Formation: 4-4-2

1. Goalkeeper: Peter Grummitt - One of Brighton's greatest ever goalkeepers who helped the club rise from the Third Division to the First Division during the late 1970s.

2. Right-Back: Bruno Saltor - An influential figure both on and off the pitch, helping the Seagulls reach the Premier League.

3. Centre-Back: Steve Foster - An iconic figure who captained the side in the 1980s, including during the FA Cup final run.

4. Centre-Back: Gordon Greer - A key figure in the rise of Brighton in the 2010s, leading the side with composure and strength.

5. Left-Back: Wayne Bridge - Despite only a short spell at the club, his experience and quality showed as Brighton reached the Championship playoff semi-finals in 2013.

6. Right Midfield: Jimmy Case - Renowned for his skill and hard work on the pitch, Case was a key player in the Brighton team that reached the 1983 FA Cup Final.

7. Centre Midfield: Brian Horton - A dynamic and powerful midfielder who was part of the team that rose to the First Division in the late 1970s.

8. Centre Midfield: Liam Bridcutt - A talented midfielder who played a key role during Brighton's rise in the Championship.

9. Left Midfield: Peter Ward - A legend of Brighton football who was their star forward during the late 1970s and early 1980s.

10. Striker: Glenn Murray - Brighton's leading goal scorer in the Premier League era and a pivotal figure in their rise to the top flight.

11. Striker: Bobby Zamora - Scored crucial goals to help Brighton secure back-to-back promotions early in his career, then returned to the club to help them reach the Premier League.

Manager: Chris Hughton - He led Brighton & Hove Albion to their first promotion to the Premier League in 2017.

Remember, this is just one interpretation, and others might have different views based on their own perspectives and memories.
Yep free version.
 


GloryDays

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It needs restrictions and licences akin to gun control imo. As a photographer I’ve seen it sweeping through my sector for a long time, from Photoshops “Content Aware” to Dalle and Mid Journeys computer sketches.

I have a lot to say about it. Ultimately for now though it will only serve to make people worry more than it would reassure. The responsibility comes down to the law makers. To use the gun control metaphor again, Will the UK be a Texas, protect the rights of business to streamline their practises or will it preserve the human experience and protect jobs in the immediate and midterm future? Furthermore will the UK align with any EU protocol or will it see this as an ‘ideal opportunity’ for sovereign policy?
 


MJsGhost

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That's from the free version right?

v4 fares better:

Selecting an all-time best starting eleven for a football team like Brighton & Hove Albion is challenging and subjective as it depends on individual's preferences and knowledge. Furthermore, it's important to remember that Brighton have a history spanning more than a century, and it's challenging to compare players from different eras due to changes in the game, tactics, and player conditioning.

However, based on the impact and contribution they've made to the club up to my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, here is an all-time Brighton & Hove Albion starting eleven:

Formation: 4-4-2

1. Goalkeeper: Peter Grummitt - One of Brighton's greatest ever goalkeepers who helped the club rise from the Third Division to the First Division during the late 1970s.
2. Right-Back: Bruno Saltor - An influential figure both on and off the pitch, helping the Seagulls reach the Premier League.
3. Centre-Back: Steve Foster - An iconic figure who captained the side in the 1980s, including during the FA Cup final run.
4. Centre-Back: Gordon Greer - A key figure in the rise of Brighton in the 2010s, leading the side with composure and strength.
5. Left-Back: Wayne Bridge - Despite only a short spell at the club, his experience and quality showed as Brighton reached the Championship playoff semi-finals in 2013.
6. Right Midfield: Jimmy Case - Renowned for his skill and hard work on the pitch, Case was a key player in the Brighton team that reached the 1983 FA Cup Final.
7. Centre Midfield: Brian Horton - A dynamic and powerful midfielder who was part of the team that rose to the First Division in the late 1970s.
8. Centre Midfield: Liam Bridcutt - A talented midfielder who played a key role during Brighton's rise in the Championship.
9. Left Midfield: Peter Ward - A legend of Brighton football who was their star forward during the late 1970s and early 1980s.
10. Striker: Glenn Murray - Brighton's leading goal scorer in the Premier League era and a pivotal figure in their rise to the top flight.
11. Striker: Bobby Zamora - Scored crucial goals to help Brighton secure back-to-back promotions early in his career, then returned to the club to help them reach the Premier League.

Manager: Chris Hughton - He led Brighton & Hove Albion to their first promotion to the Premier League in 2017.

Remember, this is just one interpretation, and others might have different views based on their own perspectives and memories.
I then asked "Repeat, though this time giving emphasis to players known for high levels of skill. I want this team to have FLAIR!"

Emphasizing skill and flair, we could have a more attack-minded Brighton & Hove Albion all-time best XI that might look like this:

Formation: 4-3-3 (With a focus on attacking football)

1. Goalkeeper: Peter Grummitt - A seasoned goalkeeper, solid between the sticks.
2. Right-Back: Bruno Saltor - Known for his leadership and also capable of joining in attacks.
3. Centre-Back: Steve Foster - A solid figure at the back but also capable of starting attacks from the backline.
4. Centre-Back: Gordon Greer - A composed figure, confident with the ball at his feet.
5. Left-Back: Wayne Bridge - An experienced full-back, known for his ability to make overlapping runs and join in the attack.
6. Centre Midfield: Liam Bridcutt - A technically gifted player who was known for his range of passing.
7. Centre Midfield: Brian Horton - Despite being a central figure, Horton was known for his dynamic and attacking play from midfield.
8. Attacking Midfield: Vicente - The Spanish wizard who brought creativity and a spark of genius to the Seagulls, albeit for a short time.
9. Right Forward: Anthony Knockaert - Known for his trickery, pace, and long-range goals during Brighton's rise to the Premier League.
10. Centre Forward: Glenn Murray - A great finisher who possessed good hold-up play, providing a perfect focal point for the attack.
11. Left Forward: Bobby Zamora - A skilled striker, remembered for his impressive goals and strong work ethic.

Manager: Gus Poyet - Brighton saw some of their most attacking and exciting football under Poyet, who led them to the League One title in 2011.

These players, while still being effective in their respective roles, are also known for their technical skills and ability to provide some flair on the pitch
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Repeat, but this team with emphasis on players with cult status:

Certainly, an all-time XI focused on cult status or fan-favorite Brighton & Hove Albion players could look like this:

Formation: 4-4-2

1. Goalkeeper: Michel Kuipers - The Dutch goalkeeper was a fan-favorite during his decade at the club, including the difficult times around the turn of the century.
2. Right-Back: Bruno Saltor - A fan favorite due to his skill, work ethic, and charismatic personality, and he became a club legend by captaining Brighton to the Premier League.
3. Centre-Back: Steve Foster - With his iconic headband and commanding performances, Foster was an emblematic figure for Brighton in the 80s.
4. Centre-Back: Adam El-Abd - Born in Brighton and a product of the youth academy, El-Abd was always a popular figure amongst the home crowd.
5. Left-Back: Paul Watson - Fondly remembered for his free-kick ability and his part in the "Dick Knight era" promotion campaigns.
6. Right Midfield: Jimmy Case - His hard-tackling style, commitment, and history as a Liverpool player made him a cult figure among Brighton fans.
7. Centre Midfield: Charlie Oatway - A cult hero at the club due to his 100% commitment on the pitch and his unusual set of middle names, all taken from the 1970 QPR squad!
8. Centre Midfield: Dean Hammond - Born in Hastings and a product of Brighton's youth academy, Hammond was a firm fan favorite.
9. Left Midfield: Peter Ward - The record-breaking striker moved into midfield later in his career but retained his cult status among the fans.
10. Striker: Glenn Murray - One of the most iconic players in recent Brighton history, a consistent goal-scorer with a knack for scoring in important games.
11. Striker: Bobby Zamora - A talismanic figure for Brighton fans, scoring key goals in their rise up the leagues and then returning to help the club reach the Premier League.

Manager: Gus Poyet - Took Brighton to the League One title playing an attractive style of football, endearing him to the Seagulls' faithful.

This squad includes players who, for various reasons, achieved cult status at Brighton & Hove Albion.




Not bad efforts in an area where the debate would rage on for days on NSC... It obviously LOVES Bruno, but the data cutoff of September 2021 explains that :lolol:
 


GloryDays

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It needs restrictions and licences akin to gun control imo. As a photographer I’ve seen it sweeping through my sector for a long time, from Photoshops “Content Aware” to Dalle and Mid Journeys computer sketches.

I have a lot to say about it. Ultimately for now though it will only serve to make people worry more than it would reassure. The responsibility comes down to the law makers. To use the gun control metaphor again, Will the UK be a Texas, protect the rights of business to streamline their practises or will it preserve the human experience and protect jobs in the immediate and midterm future? Furthermore will the UK align with any EU protocol or will it see this as an ‘ideal opportunity’ for sovereign policy?
I would also implore ppl to remember that for all their pumping of information in to it for a laugh, it is also learning.

The novelty wears off for us but the machine doesn’t forget. And this is why it has grown at such unprecedented speed. There’s an inevitability to it, but it doesn’t know it all - yet.
 




Arthritic Toe

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Nov 25, 2005
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That, and it didn't exist. The text below from Wikipedia, where reference links can be found.

Supporting view

This view holds that the vast majority of problems were fixed correctly, and the money spent was at least partially justified. The situation was essentially one of preemptive alarm. Those who hold this view claim that the lack of problems at the date change reflects the completeness of the project, and that many computer applications would not have continued to function into the 21st century without correction or remediation.

Expected problems that were not seen by small businesses and small organizations were prevented by Y2K fixes embedded in routine updates to operating system and utility software that were applied several years before 31 December 1999.

The extent to which larger industry and government fixes averted issues that would have more significant impacts had they not been fixed, were typically not disclosed or widely reported.

It has been suggested that on 11 September 2001, infrastructure in New York City (including subways, phone service, and financial transactions) was able to continue operation because of the redundant networks established in the event of Y2K bug impact and the contingency plans devised by companies. The terrorist attacks and the following prolonged blackout to lower Manhattan had minimal effect on global banking systems. Backup systems were activated at various locations around the region, many of which had been established to deal with a possible complete failure of networks in Manhattan's Financial District on 31 December 1999.

Opposing view

The contrary view asserts that there were no, or very few, critical problems to begin with. This view also asserts that there would have been only a few minor mistakes and that a "fix on failure" approach would have been the most efficient and cost-effective way to solve these problems as they occurred.

International Data Corporation estimated that the US might have wasted $40 billion.

Sceptics of the need for a massive effort pointed to the absence of Y2K-related problems occurring before 1 January 2000, even though the 2000 financial year commenced in 1999 in many jurisdictions, and a wide range of forward-looking calculations involved dates in 2000 and later years. Estimates undertaken in the leadup to 2000 suggested that around 25% of all problems should have occurred before 2000. Critics of large-scale remediation argued during 1999 that the absence of significant reported problems in non-compliant small firms was evidence that there had been, and would be, no serious problems needing to be fixed in any firm, and that the scale of the problem had therefore been severely overestimated.

Countries such as South Korea and Russia invested little to nothing in Y2K remediation, yet had the same negligible Y2K problems as countries that spent enormous sums of money. Western countries anticipated such severe problems in Russia that many issued travel advisories and evacuated non-essential staff.

Critics also cite the lack of Y2K-related problems in schools, many of which undertook little or no remediation effort. By 1 September 1999, only 28% of US schools had achieved compliance for mission critical systems, and a government report predicted that "Y2K failures could very well plague the computers used by schools to manage payrolls, student records, online curricula, and building safety systems".

Similarly, there were few Y2K-related problems in an estimated 1.5 million small businesses that undertook no remediation effort. On 3 January 2000 (the first weekday of the year), the Small Business Administration received an estimated 40 calls from businesses with computer issues, similar to the average. None of the problems were critical.
Interesting that. Thing is though, very few of the businesses that took no action would have been operating in complete isolation. Most would be running windows or other operating systems that would have been fixed on their behalf long before the millennium switch, whether or not they made a conscious effort.
 


Change at Barnham

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Aug 6, 2011
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The internet had exponential growth. There was a monumental evolution between the birth of the internet to what it has become today. Nobody could have really imagined it.

Now consider the speed of that exponential growth, times it by a thousand and give it steroids. That's what the next decade or so is going to look like, in terms of the evolution of AI.

AI being able to teach itself new things, with access to all human knowledge, all kinds of data, and being able to comprehend it all into new ideas... It will design better versions of itself and do so ad infinitum, exponentially. It already is doing exactly that.

It will be spectacular. There will be unimaginable advances in all fields, from medicine, to physics, to sport... in this lifetime... in the coming years.

The biggest concern isn't even job losses - the luddites were proven wrong about this long ago, and the likes of automation has simply allowed us to create new sectors.

The problem is when it becomes such a poweful force that it will be able to manipulate our behaviour, or design unimaginably dangerous things. It will be able to create a million unique social media profiles in an instant, indistinquishable from real people. How will this affect politics?

It will be able to design viruses or weapons that are more effective at killing than we have ever known. What if this got into the wrong hands?

There is of course the sci-fi risk that it will become somehow self aware or malevolent and will use its power to bring down humanity... farfetched, but not impossible.

Anything that humans can do, AI will be able to do better, given enough time... and it could all happen very quickly.
I was reading that expecting a punchline that it was written by AI. I’m already not sure what to believe.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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I then asked "Repeat, though this time giving emphasis to players known for high levels of skill. I want this team to have FLAIR!"

Emphasizing skill and flair, we could have a more attack-minded Brighton & Hove Albion all-time best XI that might look like this:

Formation: 4-3-3 (With a focus on attacking football)

1. Goalkeeper: Peter Grummitt - A seasoned goalkeeper, solid between the sticks.
2. Right-Back: Bruno Saltor - Known for his leadership and also capable of joining in attacks.
3. Centre-Back: Steve Foster - A solid figure at the back but also capable of starting attacks from the backline.
4. Centre-Back: Gordon Greer - A composed figure, confident with the ball at his feet.
5. Left-Back: Wayne Bridge - An experienced full-back, known for his ability to make overlapping runs and join in the attack.
6. Centre Midfield: Liam Bridcutt - A technically gifted player who was known for his range of passing.
7. Centre Midfield: Brian Horton - Despite being a central figure, Horton was known for his dynamic and attacking play from midfield.
8. Attacking Midfield: Vicente - The Spanish wizard who brought creativity and a spark of genius to the Seagulls, albeit for a short time.
9. Right Forward: Anthony Knockaert - Known for his trickery, pace, and long-range goals during Brighton's rise to the Premier League.
10. Centre Forward: Glenn Murray - A great finisher who possessed good hold-up play, providing a perfect focal point for the attack.
11. Left Forward: Bobby Zamora - A skilled striker, remembered for his impressive goals and strong work ethic.

Manager: Gus Poyet - Brighton saw some of their most attacking and exciting football under Poyet, who led them to the League One title in 2011.

These players, while still being effective in their respective roles, are also known for their technical skills and ability to provide some flair on the pitch
.

Repeat, but this team with emphasis on players with cult status:

Certainly, an all-time XI focused on cult status or fan-favorite Brighton & Hove Albion players could look like this:

Formation: 4-4-2

1. Goalkeeper: Michel Kuipers - The Dutch goalkeeper was a fan-favorite during his decade at the club, including the difficult times around the turn of the century.
2. Right-Back: Bruno Saltor - A fan favorite due to his skill, work ethic, and charismatic personality, and he became a club legend by captaining Brighton to the Premier League.
3. Centre-Back: Steve Foster - With his iconic headband and commanding performances, Foster was an emblematic figure for Brighton in the 80s.
4. Centre-Back: Adam El-Abd - Born in Brighton and a product of the youth academy, El-Abd was always a popular figure amongst the home crowd.
5. Left-Back: Paul Watson - Fondly remembered for his free-kick ability and his part in the "Dick Knight era" promotion campaigns.
6. Right Midfield: Jimmy Case - His hard-tackling style, commitment, and history as a Liverpool player made him a cult figure among Brighton fans.
7. Centre Midfield: Charlie Oatway - A cult hero at the club due to his 100% commitment on the pitch and his unusual set of middle names, all taken from the 1970 QPR squad!
8. Centre Midfield: Dean Hammond - Born in Hastings and a product of Brighton's youth academy, Hammond was a firm fan favorite.
9. Left Midfield: Peter Ward - The record-breaking striker moved into midfield later in his career but retained his cult status among the fans.
10. Striker: Glenn Murray - One of the most iconic players in recent Brighton history, a consistent goal-scorer with a knack for scoring in important games.
11. Striker: Bobby Zamora - A talismanic figure for Brighton fans, scoring key goals in their rise up the leagues and then returning to help the club reach the Premier League.

Manager: Gus Poyet - Took Brighton to the League One title playing an attractive style of football, endearing him to the Seagulls' faithful.

This squad includes players who, for various reasons, achieved cult status at Brighton & Hove Albion.




Not bad efforts in an area where the debate would rage on for days on NSC... It obviously LOVES Bruno, but the data cutoff of September 2021 explains that :lolol:
But nothing from now.

If you ask if for car of the year it may well suggest Ford Fiesta. It was. Once. :shrug:
 




raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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Wiltshire
This potential disaster seems to have a crept up on us and is a far bigger threat than most of us realise.
If some of the experts are to be believed, we have created a monster that is going to kill us all, and it will be sooner than we expect.

It’s seriously worrying and I’m not sure what to think or do about it. Doing nothing is no longer an option.

Can’t someone just take out the batteries?
I'm a lot more worried about global warming...oh, unless AI could fix that for us... THEN we'll take out the batteries 👍
 


clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
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It needs restrictions and licences akin to gun control imo. As a photographer I’ve seen it sweeping through my sector for a long time, from Photoshops “Content Aware” to Dalle and Mid Journeys computer sketches.

I have a lot to say about it. Ultimately for now though it will only serve to make people worry more than it would reassure. The responsibility comes down to the law makers. To use the gun control metaphor again, Will the UK be a Texas, protect the rights of business to streamline their practises or will it preserve the human experience and protect jobs in the immediate and midterm future? Furthermore will the UK align with any EU protocol or will it see this as an ‘ideal opportunity’ for sovereign policy?

It's gonna hit massively in the creative industries. Something we are currently very good at and a huge export.

"Synthetic voices" - i.e. automatic dubbing in a foreign language is almost there.

Not only translate, but deliver the voice as well, the voice of the actor speaking a foreign language. Not the "French Tom Cruise" whose had been making a tidy living for the last 30 years.

Mouth out of sync ? Redraw the mouth. Bang. A Hollywood movie wacked out in 50 languages.

This isn't obvious CGI, not a bad Princess Leia. Just like your industry this is sometimes subtle addition where a human used to do it (often painstakingly) and was is well paid because it is considered at art form. However AI will undoubtedly improve the viewer experience.

I've even seen some software cut a promotional trailer for a movie.

It's scary and already happening.
 
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trueblue

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Jul 5, 2003
10,954
Hove
Very interesting article on this in an American newspaper recently by one of the pioneers of AI who now feels all development must stop as otherwise it will inevitably wipe out the human race. Nowhere near enough checks and balances to prevent the technology running out of control or being used for malevolent means. Climate change is one interesting example. A machine able to think for itself will see an obvious solution to global warming - get rid of the source of the problem. Us.
 




Baldseagull

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Jan 26, 2012
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GM foods is actually something that works well, and is totally misunderstood. It is no different in outcome from selective breeding. Simple more wide ranging and efficient. The idea of gene splicing a food plant so it produces chemicals made by other plants that repel locusts, for example, is a bit of genius.

The true danger of GM is the creation of weaponized plants or animals that are then used carelessly (like mustard gas in the 14-18) or nefariously (like Saddam and his chemical weapons).

The perceived danger however was different - that food manufacturers will make foods that are dangerous. This fear is on a par with the ideal that MMR vaccine will cause autism. Gene modification is very specific, and when someone modifies a carrot so it grows bigger, the risk that it secretes cyanide is nil (and in any case the safety will be rigorously tested). The worst bit of public tomfoolery was the idea that a genetically modified carrot will modify human genes. Well, if you extract the DNA and inject it into a human stem cell, maybe. But if you simply eat the fugger it will be digested by gut acid and enzymes, the chemicals detoxified and reassembled by the human liver and repurposed by the human body's cells. That's....how....mammals .. . . . live. We eat all sorts of shit like bread, potatoes, sweets and fruit and turn it into the same chemical, glucose. And so on in a million different ways. Top machine, the mammal.

While we are on the topic of stupidity, my favourite cartoon (in Private Eye in the 80s) is of a couple watching TV and an add appears that claims that 8 out of 10 cats prefer cattomeat. The woman turns to the man and says 'well, I'm not buying anything that has been tested on animals!'.
Not attacking the jist of your post, but GM food is different in outcome from selective breeding, in that you may take a gene from any organism and place it into another. Without Genetic modification technology, I cannot insert any of my genes into a grapefruit, however selectively I try to breed with one.
 


Tyrone Biggums

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Jun 25, 2006
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Geelong, Australia
More time yes, more money no. Unless governments introduce UBI many of us won't be able to afford to live. You really think multinationals and right wing government's are going to start letting us minions live a life of leisure?
Rent isn't going to go down. House prices won't. Energy prices won't. This is going to start happening in the next couple of years, everyone competing for far, far fewer jobs.

Well do what Joe Biden suggested, learn to code.
 


Carlos BC

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May 10, 2019
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Not attacking the jist of your post, but GM food is different in outcome from selective breeding, in that you may take a gene from any organism and place it into another. Without Genetic modification technology, I cannot insert any of my genes into a grapefruit, however selectively I try to breed with one.
Filthy beast, leave those grapefruits alone! Maybe try a pumpkin, a bit more to grab hold of.
 




GloryDays

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Leyton, E10.
It's gonna hit massively in the creative industries. Something we are currently very good at and a huge export.

"Synthetic voices" - i.e. automatic dubbing in a foreign language is almost there.

Not only translate, but deliver the voice as well, the voice of the actor speaking a foreign language. Not the "French Tom Cruise" whose had been making a tidy living for the last 30 years.

Mouth out of sync ? Redraw the mouth. Bang. A Hollywood movie wacked out in 50 languages.

This isn't obvious CGI, not a bad Princess Leia. Just like your industry this is sometimes subtle addition where a human used to do it (often painstakingly) and was is well paid because it is considered at art form. However AI will undoubtedly improve the viewer experience.

I've even seen some software cut a promotional trailer for a movie.

It's scary and already happening.
100%

The creative industries are also a sector the current gov hugely resent and I’m worried for lack of restrictions on AI allowing it to pillage all of its communities.

Furthermore the overarching concern I have about AI on all of this comes back to what you’ve said here, about how it can attempt to replicate human emotion, speak to people and look them in the eye. But it’s emotionless, naturally.

Historically we’ve not seen anything like it, off the top of my head, that I can think of. Shop mannequins we know are a symbol of people, illustrations are celebrated likenesses. Very rarely does someone try to pass a render of a person as a real being, and rightly so. At what point, whether advertising standards or some other interruptor, does something stop it in its tracks and say “this is not ethical”?

We can’t have renders of people telling kids how great certain pharma drugs are, or to trust political policy. AI can’t and shouldn’t be used to sell food etc. There is a necessity for human experience and testimony and that needs to be protected. Fair enough, an AI bot can help someone navigate Westfield or use the contents of their fridge but it should not be used anywhere to manipulate for political gain and profit margins.

A useful tool that is easily abused.
 


beorhthelm

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We can’t have renders of people telling kids how great certain pharma drugs are, or to trust political policy. AI can’t and shouldn’t be used to sell food etc. There is a necessity for human experience and testimony and that needs to be protected. Fair enough, an AI bot can help someone navigate Westfield or use the contents of their fridge but it should not be used anywhere to manipulate for political gain and profit margins.
would that be ok with an actor, or a cartoon? of course not. thats where the regulation should apply, with what you can/cant broadcast or say in broadcasts. we've been happy to have fictitious characters and cartoons sell us food, dont know why AI generated characters should be any different.

trying to regulate a particular techology will fail, how will you know how its been constructed? define one AI tool as verboten meanwhile a dev creates an alternative bypassing the law. or it just happens overseas. we've been around similar issues with cryptography, governments wanting to ban, regulate, put back doors in, you cant control software tech once its created as it disseminates around the world without restriction.
 




GloryDays

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Jul 5, 2011
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Leyton, E10.
would that be ok with an actor, or a cartoon? of course not. thats where the regulation should apply, with what you can/cant broadcast or say in broadcasts. we've been happy to have fictitious characters and cartoons sell us food, dont know why AI generated characters should be any different.

trying to regulate a particular techology will fail, how will you know how its been constructed? define one AI tool as verboten meanwhile a dev creates an alternative bypassing the law. or it just happens overseas. we've been around similar issues with cryptography, governments wanting to ban, regulate, put back doors in, you cant control software tech once its created as it disseminates around the world without restriction.

In essence, yes it would. I mean, it wouldn’t necessarily be ok, but it would be more legitimate and I agree further regulation needs to apply to this, social media and data mining as well as applications of AI on a dumbed down society.

Acting is theatre. We know people in commercials are following a script, even if we don’t agree with that message. If it’s a real person with a political message we know they have a cause they support / something at stake they are putting their name to. The Rwanda plan, or Brexit for instance. We may or may not like these people, Farage or Corbyn for instance, but we know they are real, or at least have a shallow pulse.

A render of anonymous people appearing as general public aren’t either of these things. More akin to getting deceased votes from beyond the grave than it is to synthesising life. And this is where we need to be careful.

Like with cryptocurrency, there is a fortune to be made, regrettably off of the desperate users of these Ponzi schemes. This time instead of it being your spare change or a couple of hundred quid, it’s your data, voice, face and eyes and eventually jobs.

And that does need to be regulated.
 




MJsGhost

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Jun 26, 2009
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Well do what Joe Biden suggested, learn to code.

AI can help people with basic software engineering skills develop applications far beyond their ability (already here with low/no code products such as Power Apps not even labelled as AI).
Actually knowing how to code will soon be obsolete in many situations, because it's possible to describe what you want using natural language and AI will create the code. It still takes some knowledge (currently at least) of how it all fits together, but the nuts and bolts of coding won't be necessary for many 'development' roles (though, as with using a calculator, having an idea of how to do it 'manually' will help spot where it has gone wrong rather than blindly accepting the result. See also: SatNav).

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Nobby

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Sep 29, 2007
2,892
Very interesting article on this in an American newspaper recently by one of the pioneers of AI who now feels all development must stop as otherwise it will inevitably wipe out the human race. Nowhere near enough checks and balances to prevent the technology running out of control or being used for malevolent means. Climate change is one interesting example. A machine able to think for itself will see an obvious solution to global warming - get rid of the source of the problem. Us.
Yes but if it's that clever, won't it just get rid of those that don't think global warming exists.
Doesn't seem fair - surely Greta, Just Stop Oil and Chris Packham will be ok.

Maybe it will just get rid of the "bad actors"

See you - off to frolic in the sunny uplands 👍
 


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