[Albion] Article - Brighton’s Problems – Coaching or Poor Squad?

[Swansman]

I wouldn't actually deny that Potter is a good coach of indivdual players, particularly youngsters, particuarly defenders and midfielders. He's brought on Alzate, improved Lamptey's game in a very short space of time, turned March into a wingback, improved Webster and will improve White. Connolly has been given a chance also. And the point of my article was to go player by player and state that actually most of them would get into other teams in the PL. It's not like Potter is being asked to operate without a midfield and with a Barrow quality striker here.

So what does that leave? If we both throw away our passions and deal in facts, after 7 games we are in the bottom five. We have one win. We have no wins at home, despite having welcomed West Brom and Burnley, two sides who look as poor as I've ever seen in this division. We seemingly have a bust up that led us going to Spurs, of all teams, with a third choice keeper making a debut and a CAM playing as some kind of number 9. If Potter is good at the one on one player development (and I think he is) and we have a reasonable squad (I think we do) what is going wrong? Tactics? BAD LUCK? What's your explanation Swanny?

I go back to we have a team that produces very nice football to watch. All the commentators say it. "Oh, Brighton are great to watch, Potter's made them so much more footballery". And they might gush about Ashworth for a short while. But they'll do so on PPV, during the graveyard shift, along with the likes of West Brom and Burnley, because they know they'll get a lot of titting about in one box, a potential set piece sucker punch at the other end, and very likely a low scoring draw.

There is no single explanation. Its a multitude of factors: some bad tactical decisions, some bad luck, some bad player performances. But to me, this overshadowed by another fact: it is early yet and some teams are in a worse position (not only lacking results but also playing very poorly). Some, including you, are very eager to put some kind of crisis label on how things are going and while the results must improve (which I think they will), I think it far too early for that.

 

[Guinness Boy]

There is no single explanation. Its a multitude of factors: some bad tactical decisions, some bad luck, some bad player performances. But to me, this overshadowed by another fact: it is early yet and some teams are in a worse position (not only lacking results but also playing very poorly). Some, including you, are very eager to put some kind of crisis label on how things are going and while the results must improve (which I think they will), I think it far too early for that.

We'll see. I genuinely hope you are right and I am wrong.

 

[Wardy's twin]

I wouldn't actually deny that Potter is a good coach of indivdual players, particularly youngsters, particuarly defenders and midfielders. He's brought on Alzate, improved Lamptey's game in a very short space of time, turned March into a wingback, improved Webster and will improve White. Connolly has been given a chance also. And the point of my article was to go player by player and state that actually most of them would get into other teams in the PL. It's not like Potter is being asked to operate without a midfield and with a Barrow quality striker here.

So what does that leave? If we both throw away our passions and deal in facts, after 7 games we are in the bottom five. We have one win. We have no wins at home, despite having welcomed West Brom and Burnley, two sides who look as poor as I've ever seen in this division. We seemingly have a bust up that led us going to Spurs, of all teams, with a third choice keeper making a debut and a CAM playing as some kind of number 9. If Potter is good at the one on one player development (and I think he is) and we have a reasonable squad (I think we do) what is going wrong? Tactics? BAD LUCK? What's your explanation Swanny?

I go back to we have a team that produces very nice football to watch. All the commentators say it. "Oh, Brighton are great to watch, Potter's made them so much more footballery". And they might gush about Ashworth for a short while. But they'll do so on PPV, during the graveyard shift, along with the likes of West Brom and Burnley, because they know they'll get a lot of titting about in one box, a potential set piece sucker punch at the other end, and very likely a low scoring draw.

Not sure he did anything magical, using young players was always part of the club's plan it was Hughton's inability to do this that saw his demise AND makes Potter's use of them seem good.

He is a system manager playing the odd's he doesn't really do the tactics well and I think he is regressing on this. In both the WBA and Burnley games it was obvious that a change had to be made and after half time not 10 mins or so from the end. He doesn't seem to have a plan B.

Regards man management I really don't know why Ali J fell from favour, he played a few games scored 2 goals and then disappeared. The Maupay stuff seems to have backfired by dampening the player. He has also got rid off teh Hughton players most were past their best playing but club experience counts so Murray could have doubled as striker coach and Duffy offered a plan B defender who knows how to head the ball.

Lamptey was good when he came here.

Don't get me wrong his attempt to play open football is miles better than watching some of the turgid stuff served up by Hughton , the nearly 0-0 against Spurs away but manager is getting it wrong in real time play and ultimately its result that count.

All a matter of opinions

 

[The Fits]

He's brought on Alzate, improved Lamptey's game in a very short space of time, turned March into a wingback, improved Webster and will improve White.
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White is going backwards and will do until he gets to play in a settled postion. Webster cost £20 million. Lamptey was OUTSTANDING against Arsenal for Chelsea and anyone who saw much of Alzate at Swindon (I did) could see what a talent he was- he's been played out of postion and unfairly dropped....

 

[BLOCK F]

We’re playing well enough to get something out of every game. We can dominate games now home and away.

You can absolutely see the the technical improvements across the team. So the coaching is clearly improving us drastically.

It’s just the lack of cutting edge up front. Whilst everyone was singing and clapping at the time of Welbecks arrival I said that he’s a nice squad player, but he is not the answer. I’ve seen nothing to suggest otherwise so far.

So the blame is on recruitment for me. They surely know we need a striker. Let’s see how Zequiri does.

Hopefully, Welbeck will shed some of his rust and will also stay fit. If that happens, I reckon he will score a few goals for us.
As far as recruitment is concerned, I was keen for us to sign Callum Wilson at £20M. Yes, I know he is 29 and has had ACL injuries and wages could be a problem, but he has scored 6 goals, I think, so far, for Newcastle. Could have done a job as we used to say on here. Somebody said, how would he fit in the team, but I don't think that would have been a problem for a manager like ours who sends out teams and formations none of us can often guess.
Anyway, we have got to get on with what we've got..........let us hope we start finding the 'onion bag' soon, as Warren would say.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Handily, someone else had already written exactly what I was going to write on another thread.

We don't need to be ripping the boys and manager a part yet, if we were conceding 19 shots and possession and holding on to a 0-0 by the skin of our teeth each match, you may have a point.

Come on lets back them and forget any lockdown frustrations.

Ps I was suggesting wetting all day not just while your in your bed.

They are very comfy and can be turned 180 degrees if you wish.

 

[zefarelly]

I think in the game yesterday, Trossard was more missed than Dunk. Think he would have destroyed them.

I agree, IF he'd played well . . .he got dropped for going missing in action for two games on the trot

The issue is clearly coaching, formation/line up, and game management.

We know the players, on their day are good enough.

The diifficult bit is getting 11 of them to play well together all at the right time, in a way that best exploits the oppositions weaknesses

We didn't do that well against WBA or Burnley

 

[Swansman]

I agree, IF he'd played well . . .he got dropped for going missing in action for two games on the trot

The issue is clearly coaching, formation/line up, and game management.

We know the players, on their day are good enough.

The diifficult bit is getting 11 of them to play well together all at the right time, in a way that best exploits the oppositions weaknesses

We didn't do that well against WBA or Burnley

I think he got dropped because of his injury tbh.

 

[Falmer Wizard]

This started off as a post but quickly grew to article length. It seeks to go through the main players in the squad one by one to answer the question of whether our current inability to win games lies with the players or the coach. Do we have a poor squad? Are we "too good to go down"? Are we just unlucky? Read and feel free to agree or disagree. Or don't. That's kinda the point of NSC.

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/content.php?869-Brighton%92s-Problems-%96-Coaching-or-Poor-Squad

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] can you provide a short link for Tapa pretty please?

Our squad is what we can afford, which is well below the top ten sides

 

[Guinness Boy]

Ps I was suggesting wetting all day not just while your in your bed.

They are very comfy and can be turned 180 degrees if you wish.

If you say so, As an experienced user have you left feedback on their website?

 

[Super Steve Earle]

This started off as a post but quickly grew to article length. It seeks to go through the main players in the squad one by one to answer the question of whether our current inability to win games lies with the players or the coach. Do we have a poor squad? Are we "too good to go down"? Are we just unlucky? Read and feel free to agree or disagree. Or don't. That's kinda the point of NSC.

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/content.php?869-Brighton%92s-Problems-%96-Coaching-or-Poor-Squad

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] can you provide a short link for Tapa pretty please?

Interesting post/article. I'm probably in the disagree camp rather than agree and I'm glad that's kinda the point. Thanks for the getout.

 

[Chicken Run]

Sycophantic NSC clique bullshit. Stop tearing the team down and support them.

I don’t have an awful amount of time for @Guinnessboy but the one thing you can never do is bring his support for the Albion into disrepute.


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[Perfidious Albion]

We have shown that we can score goals , VAR permitting. But our strikers now appear lacking in confidence, squad morale has broken down with “incidents “ that required disciplinary dropping of players, we appear not well organised to defend corners or to attack from them .
All this points back to Potter and his team of coaches. I am not one of the “Potter Out”brigade yet. But I hope he gets his act together soon.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Sycophantic NSC clique bullshit. Stop tearing the team down and support them.

The problem with personal and unsupported posts like this is that you really don't have anything of substance and it would be much easier to reply if you could perhaps challenge specific points?

Who are this clique you keep going on about? Who, specifically, forms it and who am I being sychophantic to?

"Tearing the team down"? Again, example please. I believe I've gone throught the team player by player largely to give the lie to the position stated on here by some that the players aren't good enough. However, there are some genuine examples of players struggling. Do you really think Dan Burn is a Premier League quality Left Wingback?


And there are players who divide. I like Webster (and say so). Do you? What's your position on Maupay? Good enough? And should we let the devil live in him or rein him in a bit? Do you believe Ryan dominates enough at set pieces (answer, he doesn't and never has). Is a draw at home to a side who can't win or score acceptable? Was the second half against WBA acceptable either? It's so hard to tell when I've given 1000 words and you've replied with two sentences. Maybe you're one of those happy clappers who's just glad to be there. Or not, at the moment.

I don’t have an awful amount of time for @Guinnessboy but the one thing you can never do is bring his support for the Albion into disrepute.


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Thank you

We may have disagreements on here but if things were normal I'd be willing to guarantee the one thing me, you and Mouldy share would be that we are bang up for it on game day and look forward to singing and cheering our team to three points. And we're doing whatever we can from the sofa right now.

 

[Chicken Run]

The problem with personal and unsupported posts like this is that you really don't have anything of substance and it would be much easier to reply if you could perhaps challenge specific points?

Who are this clique you keep going on about? Who, specifically, forms it and who am I being sychophantic to?

"Tearing the team down"? Again, example please. I believe I've gone throught the team player by player largely to give the lie to the position stated on here by some that the players aren't good enough. However, there are some genuine examples of players struggling. Do you really think Dan Burn is a Premier League quality Left Wingback?


And there are players who divide. I like Webster (and say so). Do you? What's your position on Maupay? Good enough? And should we let the devil live in him or rein him in a bit? Do you believe Ryan dominates enough at set pieces (answer, he doesn't and never has). Is a draw at home to a side who can't win or score acceptable? Was the second half against WBA acceptable either? It's so hard to tell when I've given 1000 words and you've replied with two sentences. Maybe you're one of those happy clappers who's just glad to be there. Or not, at the moment.




Thank you

We may have disagreements on here but it things were normal I'd be willing to guarantee the one thing me, you and Mouldy share would be that we are bang up for it on game day and look forward to singing and cheering our team to three points. And we're doing whatever we can from the sofa right now.

What is this 3 points you talk of, I thought we only celebrate 1 point gained.... these days? [emoji6]


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[Guinness Boy]

What is this 3 points you talk of, I thought we only celebrate 1 point gained.... these days? [emoji6]


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[GOM]

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Our patterns of play in offensive positions are very predictable and teams know to just sit back and watch us pass the ball around in little triangles until we lose it then hit us on the break

Cancel the loan with Watford as the coach clearly doesn't fancy him & get Murray back as a specialist strikers coach.

This

 

[BrianWade4]

This started off as a post but quickly grew to article length. It seeks to go through the main players in the squad one by one to answer the question of whether our current inability to win games lies with the players or the coach. Do we have a poor squad? Are we "too good to go down"? Are we just unlucky? Read and feel free to agree or disagree. Or don't. That's kinda the point of NSC.

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/content.php?869-Brighton%92s-Problems-%96-Coaching-or-Poor-Squad

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] can you provide a short link for Tapa pretty please?

Great line:

2 players for every position under Hughton has become 2 positions for every player under Potter

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Sycophantic NSC clique bullshit. Stop tearing the team down and support them.

I think you are aiming at the wrong target. The article is a decent summary of the more measured comment on our players, both good and bad. Tearing the team down is something quite different and comes with extremist and or, abusive language. Calling for people to be sacked, ‘championship quality at best,’ that kind of thing. It is possible to get behind the team when it matters and to express some misgivings. It’s all part of being a fan.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Interesting assessments, but it’s 99% about the players as individuals, so you don’t really address the issue in your title, is it the coaching? Which is what I was hoping to read about.

I think we have some massive coaching shortfalls. First Burnley corner last night, zone defence, 5 defenders lined up on the six yard line, corner taker hangs it right under the bar and Ryan is completely unprotected. Absolute disaster of coaching, planning and rehearsal. If you have a 6 foot 7 keeper, fine, leave him unprotected to come and claim. Absolute basics.

Other end of the pitch, massive coaching issues. We don’t have a single offensive coaching expert on the coaching team. Potter was a left back, and god only knows what benny and Bjorne were, but not strikers for certain. Post match interview after Burnley, GP was pressed on low conversion rate. His answer, maybe we could have taken an extra touch or an extra pass? Jeezus frigging hell, an extra touch? An extra pass? Any striking coach worth their salt would look at our videos and conclude straight away we are taking too many touches, need to get shots off before the slide block. Or making too many passes trying to walk it into the net Arsenal style.

Third point, we are not being coached enough to be savvy and dirty in the trenches. Three examples of fouls against us in the last 2 games, where the player should have gone down at first contact. It’s what all teams do, except us, it’s called savvy. And dirt, grind, aggression, it’s nowhere, it’s all about look and polish.

I think we have massive coaching shortfalls. If GP was as good at the real micro detail of coaching talented players as he is at the ‘leadership and emotional intelligence techno b0ll0cks, then we would all be in a much better place.

Thank you for your player assessments, some interesting obersvations.

Have you ever watched us train or are you just assuming how we are being coached?

The stats suggest our playing style is bringing almost the most shots for and fewest shots against in the whole league. So let's give the coach a little more credit.