[Albion] Arsenal fans

[el punal]

The phrase that seems to be used by the Gooners on numerous occasions is “We were robbed”. What bollocks! They didn’t have a goal disallowed or had a dodgy goal scored against them. What arrogant entitlement that had they not had a player sent off they would have won the game. I’m sure had they won the game none of this shit storm would have occurred. Boo!Hoo!

 

[5Ways Gull]

I think that was @HWT’s point

I did realise that, my comments were aimed at the Arsenal fans and lazy journalists . Sorry if that didn't come across.

 

[dazzer6666]

I listened to the Arsenal podcast "Handbrake Off" yesterday. It's one of The Athletic's club-specific podcasts, this one with Amy Lawrence (very well-respected journo), Adrian Clarke (Arsenal player from the 90s and long-time pundit/journo), and Ian Stone (comedian, mate of Alan Davies). Three very sensible individuals, one might have thought!

Their take on the whole Rice-gate incident included the following:

- The ref should have used "common sense" (nb: but they want consistency)....
- The authorities should be able to review red cards in cases where the sanction is the result of a second yellow (and in this case, if such a process was in place, Rice's second yellow would obviously be over-turned)
- The further one match ban in THIS case is disproportionate....in particular because it will cause Rice to miss the North London Derby (which is not fair!)....AND because Arsenal are already suffering from an injury to the obvious Declan Rice replacement, namely Merino, which makes it DOUBLY UNFAIR!!

It was difficult at times to know whether they were deliberately parodying themselves, so ludicrous were their arguments!!!

I'm not sure how we'd react if the roles were reversed, but I'd like to hope that there would be at least ONE Brighton fan who understood the rules and the way they were applied. Anyway, the rest of the podcast is actually quite interesting in that they are pretty critical of the way Arsenal reacted after going down to ten men.

My Dad was born in north London and grew up an Arsenal fan. He passed his love of the Gunners on to my brother (but obvs not me - phew). Despite these family links, I really, really hope Arsenal do NOT win the title. The events of Saturday have made me realise how unbearable it would be to see Arteta and his crew of over-priviliged players (not mentioning the fans) parading through Islington! In fact, it would be wonderful if they missed out by 2 points again

Maybe they need to just listen to Rice, who has accepted it was the right decision……….

 

[Rookie]

Every time they drop points it is the fault of someone else never their finishing, their own mistakes or their crap manager.
Given they forced out Wenger it’s not a surprise but they really have a magnificent sense of self entitlement

 

[zefarelly]

Most of these internet trolls never go to the games and just need to get out more (or get a girlfriend).

Middle aged men moaning to the nth degree over what is still essentially just a game. Sure most of this is done for clicks.

On a football funnies post I suggested its easier for Haaland to score a lot of goals as he has the worlds best players feeding him. Nt to say he's not good anyway . . . A response was that I was upset because 'he dunked our pathetic washed club' . . .I looked him up, the clot comes from Cornwall and lives under a rock near Lands end!

 

[HangletonGull]

The self entitlement of this lot is scary, the sheer anger of their non going to games supporters like the ones at my work is hilarious the fact they are screaming that veltman should of been sent off is lovely, and they seem not to understand it wasn’t
A red card it was a second booking

 

[el punal]

Sourness has been anti-Brighton, since he came off early in the FA Cup and Ryan and Connor scored to beat them….

The same Souness who criticised Brighton for hiring De Zerbi as he had no experience managing an English club blah! blah! Where did we finish? Oh, yes, sixth.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Of course it wasn't. It was a 2nd yellow. I've seen a lot of comments in the press questioning whether it deserved a red card, which it didn't, but that misses the point as it didn't get one. It was cumulative. For balance I have also seen quite a few articles critical of Rice's stupidity.

I fear I may have whooshed you here. Have a look at the other thread.

 

[BadFish]

I have learned that this kind of thing only ever happens to Arsenal and it's all very unfair.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I've already heard claims the decision to give Rice a second yellow has 'cost them the title', like the decision to give Newcastle's goal against them in November last season was entirely to blame, rather than the 6 points dropped against Villa, the 4 points dropped against Fulham, playing out bore draws with City and Liverpool, not having the bollocks to go for the win etc etc. Just the same as how Saka and Havertz weren't to blame for missing gilt-edged chances at 1-1. You've got to be pretty much flawless to beat City over a season, and they weren't. Again.

I will very, very rarely have any respect for the opinions of any 'fans' of them, United and Chelsea, along with Liverpool fans that live in Cornwall and post-2008 City fans.

Well, when you consider that half the electorate still think that Brexit was correct and necessary, a few entitled fans thinking their birthright has been stolen by a national conspiracy every time they drop points isn't quite so hard to understand.

 

[MJsGhost]

Middle aged men moaning to the nth degree over what is still essentially just a game. Sure most of this is done for clicks.

This sounds just a little tiny bit like NSC...

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Your post has the same tone as I’ve seen Crawley fans adopt re the Matt O'Riley incident.. it’s very obvious why they feel so annoyed. We'd be outraged if it was the other way around. We’ve benefited from the situation. Best just to keep quiet rather than goading their fans even further.

Two completely different situations shoehorned into a very poor argument. Congratulations you’ll fit in well on nsc.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I've changed my mind about 20 times on it. On a technicality it was a second yellow but I'm also on the camp of "meh. If he hadn't been on the first yellow I don't think we'd have been upset at him not being booked for that"

I guess if you want to really hit home the "don't kick the ball away" rule then you needed an incident where the ref was overly petty/to the letter of the law about it to rubber stamp it. It means no one can argue it in future as the precedent has been set.

There you go, even in a single post I'm flip flipping on it.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Were there delusional fan bases before? I can't remember

Because it strikes me that fans are being fed a diet of totally one sided fan TV, fan twitter accounts and messageboards which allow no dissenting voice, that's just reinforcing a walled view of the world. It's like a micro social experiment?

I mean sure, when I was in the stands back in the day and the ref gave a decision against you you'd howl against it. But then, you'd go home think about it, maybe curse your luck, but there weren't these lurid suggestions of conspiracy that we see today? Or have I remembered that wrong?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

My boss is a gooner and I have to say, he's been really good about the whole thing.
He said a point was a decent result for both sides and said by the letter of the law Rice had to go. No bitching, no whining, no hint of the title race being over already.
The same can't be said for the United fan who is rapidly descending the 9 circles of hell, his season is over already, he's not really not enjoying the shit he's getting in the group chat, and long may it continue.

Both from Sussex/the Home Counties?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I've seen very few references to this but I think it was a factor in the second yellow. The first foul was a borderline red but the ref didn't give it. Having seen him kick the ball away, the ref was in no mood to give him the benefit of the doubt again.

I'm not a football ref but I am a rugby one and I've certainly given players the benefit of doubt after a dodgy but of play. If they do it again, then it's time for a little rest on the sidelines.

We saw something similar in the Utd/Liverpool game when Mainoo committed a foul, wasn't booked and then did it again a few minutes later. It was pretty innocuous but he got the card.

Obviously, I don't know for sure but I reckon it was a factor in Rice's card.

Whatever. I'm still enjoying the salty tears from north London

The 'totting up' process that referees used to acknowledge but now hotly deny exists.

Meanwhile in half of matches one of them will dramatically raise one, then two, then three fingers while pointing to different parts of the pitch, before brandishing the card.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I love the desperate way they're trying to draw parallels with the Pedro incident.

Brighton fans: "yeah he should have been booked too what's your point?"

"But..... but... but..... CoNsIsTeNcY WAAAAAAAAA"

I have heard it said that the ball was out of play when JP hoofed it. If this is true then he didn't disrupt play by kicking the ball away.

And it's 'should of been booked'.

(These gooners know nothing. Nothing at all.)

 

[A1X]

On social media, Arsenal fans are far and away the most entitled, whiny group among the big 6 going (ahead of Liverpool and Man Utd), and they REALLY can’t hack it when they don’t get their way

Best thing about the international break is most of them will be at it for another 10 days too, fabulous seething

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Most of these internet trolls never go to the games and just need to get out more (or get a girlfriend).

Middle aged men moaning to the nth degree over what is still essentially just a game. Sure most of this is done for clicks.

Or mad homophobic Africans.

 

[jackanada]

The 'totting up' process that referees used to acknowledge but now hotly deny exists.

Meanwhile in half of matches one of them will dramatically raise one, then two, then three fingers while pointing to different parts of the pitch, before brandishing the card.

Persistent offending is cautionable under the laws of the game. Though exactly how this differs from totting up someone else will need to explain.