[Albion] Arsenal fans

[Guinness Boy]

Your post has the same tone as I’ve seen Crawley fans adopt re the Matt O'Riley incident.. it’s very obvious why they feel so annoyed. We'd be outraged if it was the other way around. We’ve benefited from the situation. Best just to keep quiet rather than goading their fans even further.

Totally different thing as other people have pointed out. Plus….

A Brighton fan phoned in on TS yesterday morning and gave his view on this. Souness disagreed, said he was talking tosh, called him a fool and disregarded his opinion because he hadn't ever played the game at rhe highest level...even these so called pundits are rattled.

It’s annoyed this Turkey-toothed throbber, one of a diminishing number of dinosaurs who think the title should just be given to Liverpool every season because they were good in the 80s and only the “big clubs” should be allowed to challenge them. Uncle Tone’s going to disrupt this a lot over the next five or ten seasons and I’m here for it.

 

[Triggaaar]

Your post has the same tone as I’ve seen Crawley fans adopt re the Matt O'Riley incident.. it’s very obvious why they feel so annoyed.

They're completely different situations.
1) Williams was wrong to assault O'Riley.
2) He should have been sent off straight away, but didn't even get a card, so having injured one player he attempted the same against Enciso.
3) Arsenal were on the wrong end of a tough decision - one that wasn't even wrong, it was just harsh.

We'd be outraged if it was the other way around.

We've had loads of marginal decisions go against us, as well as several completely wrong ones in just one game. The PGMOL won't need to apologise to Arsenal for getting it right.

Why aren't they moaning about the decision to book the Palace player when the ball was kicked against him on Sunday?

All a load of click bait crap.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I listened to the Arsenal podcast "Handbrake Off" yesterday. It's one of The Athletic's club-specific podcasts, this one with Amy Lawrence (very well-respected journo), Adrian Clarke (Arsenal player from the 90s and long-time pundit/journo), and Ian Stone (comedian, mate of Alan Davies). Three very sensible individuals, one might have thought!

Their take on the whole Rice-gate incident included the following:

- The ref should have used "common sense" (nb: but they want consistency)....
- The authorities should be able to review red cards in cases where the sanction is the result of a second yellow (and in this case, if such a process was in place, Rice's second yellow would obviously be over-turned)
- The further one match ban in THIS case is disproportionate....in particular because it will cause Rice to miss the North London Derby (which is not fair!)....AND because Arsenal are already suffering from an injury to the obvious Declan Rice replacement, namely Merino, which makes it DOUBLY UNFAIR!!

It was difficult at times to know whether they were deliberately parodying themselves, so ludicrous were their arguments!!!

I'm not sure how we'd react if the roles were reversed, but I'd like to hope that there would be at least ONE Brighton fan who understood the rules and the way they were applied. Anyway, the rest of the podcast is actually quite interesting in that they are pretty critical of the way Arsenal reacted after going down to ten men.

My Dad was born in north London and grew up an Arsenal fan. He passed his love of the Gunners on to my brother (but obvs not me - phew). Despite these family links, I really, really hope Arsenal do NOT win the title. The events of Saturday have made me realise how unbearable it would be to see Arteta and his crew of over-priviliged players (not mentioning the fans) parading through Islington! In fact, it would be wonderful if they missed out by 2 points again

Your first mistake.

 

[Han Solo]

Your post has the same tone as I’ve seen Crawley fans adopt re the Matt O'Riley incident.. it’s very obvious why they feel so annoyed. We'd be outraged if it was the other way around. We’ve benefited from the situation. Best just to keep quiet rather than goading their fans even further.

Uhm.. no?

 

[mrjon1976]

I think my point is the entitlement of them, I was queueing or the tube after the game, chatting with a few Arsenal fans. all agreed in the circumstances a draw was a fair result on the day, and that the red card changed the game in our favour; however, their attitude that as a smaller team we shouldn't dare come to their home and compete as they have "bigger fish to fry" than us - I explained that whilst it is only 3 games in, we are where we are on merit, and maybe underestimating us wasn't the smartest idea, especially given that their dropped points against the likes of West Ham and Fulham last year contributed to them losing the title. The answer to that was that "Brighton aren't going to win anything so what's the point" to which I said we won the same number of trophies as them last season....

the likes of AFTV etc just continue the narrative that they have been victimised etc, despite the clear fact that the Pedro booting the ball away is completely different to what Rice did. A common answer is "just wait until you get screwed over by the refs" to which I directed them to Spurs and Palace away a couple of seasons ago, and that actually they were screwed over by Rice and not the ref on Saturday. I even had Arsenal fans trawling through my twitter quoting posts where I have criticised PGMOL etc as an attempt to prove whatever point they are making....

Honestly, it makes me rather the 115 charges clubs destroys their dreams again this season.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Most of these internet trolls never go to the games and just need to get out more (or get a girlfriend).

Middle aged men moaning to the nth degree over what is still essentially just a game. Sure most of this is done for clicks.

Yep and who helps fuel the clicks, helps pay for Robbie Lyle's new red Range Rover Evoque with white leather interior? Fans of opposition clubs posting up links to pantomime shit like AFTV and getting 'outraged'
If you're going click on anything fan related, make it BHA/Han Solo-related, or you're just supporting that crap, doing exactly what those sites are designed for, leaving you, often unwittingly, with red and white egg all over your boat. Ya get me?

 

[Triggaaar]

A Brighton fan phoned in on TS yesterday morning and gave his view on this. Souness disagreed, said he was talking tosh, called him a fool and disregarded his opinion because he hadn't ever played the game at rhe highest level...

Oh I wish I was the caller. So he's saying that no fan should ever call TS with an opinion unless they've played the game at the highest level? And the football fans across the country should keep their opinions to themselves and listen to the hallowed words of some dinosaur who's stealing a living? A dinosaur who declared Roberto de Zerbi a bad appointment by Brighton, based on the fact that he hadn't heard of him? Idiot.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Persistent offending is cautionable under the laws of the game. Though exactly how this differs from totting up someone else will need to explain.

I suspect that rule needs to be changed.

In my tiny brain I can understand that there is a tariff for an offence. For example if a referee deems a foul to be a bookable offense then there should be a booking. And so on.

I can't for the life of me work out how three non-bookable offenses warrants a booking.

If I drive fast without breaking the speed limit three times, does this mean I should get 3 points on my license?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yep and who helps fuel the clicks, helps pay for Robbie Lyle's new red Range Rover Evoque with white leather interior? Fans of opposition clubs posting up links to pantomime shit like AFTV and getting 'outraged'
If you're going click on anything fan related, make it BHA/Han Solo-related, or you're just supporting that crap, doing exactly what those sites are designed for, leaving you, often unwittingly, with red and white egg all over your boat. Ya get me?

Seen, blud.

Edit: if only I hadn't blocked @dwayne I'd be able to learn why parasitical social media is the natural home of the modern urban male, and that I know nothing

 

[CHAPPERS]

The comparison with Pedro kicking the ball away is a flimsy argument.

I have heard it said that the ball was out of play when JP hoofed it. If this is true then he didn't disrupt play by kicking the ball away.

And it's 'should of been booked'.

(These gooners know nothing. Nothing at all.)

You can also see Partey gesturing for one of the two balls available to him positioned on the cones next to the technical areas, as soon as Pedro kicks it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The comparison with Pedro kicking the ball away is a flimsy argument.

You can also see Partey gesturing for one of the two balls available to him positioned on the cones next to the technical areas, as soon as Pedro kicks it.

Exactly. JP was simply swifting things along a bit so that Arsenal could get on with the game.

 

[raymondo]

I suspect that rule needs to be changed.

In my tiny brain I can understand that there is a tariff for an offence. For example if a referee deems a foul to be a bookable offense then there should be a booking. And so on.

I can't for the life of me work out how three non-bookable offenses warrants a booking.

If I drive fast without breaking the speed limit three times, does this mean I should get 3 points on my license?

But persistent low level fouling does break up play too much, and is worthy of a yellow in my opinion. It's a good rule, if somewhat subjective.

 

[Daddies_Sauce]

I’ll agree that technically Pedro should have been booked for kicking the ball away, however when you review the video, Arteta was miles outside his technical area and almost looks as if he was about to kick the ball (presumably to an Arse player) so did Pedro prevent that potential advantage?

I’ll also agree with Arteta that the refs are inconsistent, it triggers my trigger when players throw the ball forward from the point of where a free kick should be taken or steal yards and yards when taking a throw-in. With this is mind watch the video back and see how much yardage Raya ‘steals’ every time he throws the ball forward to take a free kick. Talking about time-wasting and keeping the game flowing, Raya is a master of that black-art too. The ref should have come down on him earlier, then he too would have been at risk of a 2nd yellow. Would have been even funnier if they had gone down to 9 men.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think my point is the entitlement of them, I was queueing or the tube after the game, chatting with a few Arsenal fans. all agreed in the circumstances a draw was a fair result on the day, and that the red card changed the game in our favour; however, their attitude that as a smaller team we shouldn't dare come to their home and compete as they have "bigger fish to fry" than us - I explained that whilst it is only 3 games in, we are where we are on merit, and maybe underestimating us wasn't the smartest idea, especially given that their dropped points against the likes of West Ham and Fulham last year contributed to them losing the title. The answer to that was that "Brighton aren't going to win anything so what's the point" to which I said we won the same number of trophies as them last season....

the likes of AFTV etc just continue the narrative that they have been victimised etc, despite the clear fact that the Pedro booting the ball away is completely different to what Rice did. A common answer is "just wait until you get screwed over by the refs" to which I directed them to Spurs and Palace away a couple of seasons ago, and that actually they were screwed over by Rice and not the ref on Saturday. I even had Arsenal fans trawling through my twitter quoting posts where I have criticised PGMOL etc as an attempt to prove whatever point they are making....

Honestly, it makes me rather the 115 charges clubs destroys their dreams again this season.

I have often wondered how 'fans' of clubs who haven't won anything (for ages) acquire such entitlement.

Imagine the wretched lives they must live.

Every time they win something, this is because it is their birthright.

Every time they fail to win, it is the result of a conspiracy.

I would find it hard to locate my will to live in the morning if I had such an outlook.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

But persistent low level fouling does break up play too much, and is worthy of a yellow in my opinion. It's a good rule, if somewhat subjective.

Perhaps.

I struggle with subjectivity. My problem, perhaps.

If this is a thing, however, then the 'totting up' process should really be formalized better in the laws.

 

[mrjon1976]

Your post has the same tone as I’ve seen Crawley fans adopt re the Matt O'Riley incident.. it’s very obvious why they feel so annoyed. We'd be outraged if it was the other way around. We’ve benefited from the situation. Best just to keep quiet rather than goading their fans even further.

As others have posted, you are wrong - I am not goading them at all, merely pointing out that rules and facts clearly aren't relevant to them if it doesn't suit their agenda. Yes they would have been annoyed at the time, but when their manager and RIce come out and say it was the correct decision (whereas the Crawley manager tried to blame the ref for not sending Williams off...) surely that is the Arsenal fans cue to move on. The Arsenal fans are continuing to wind themselves up into a frenzy rather than focussing on the bluntness of their attack for instance.

 

[BBassic]

Were there delusional fan bases before? I can't remember

Because it strikes me that fans are being fed a diet of totally one sided fan TV, fan twitter accounts and messageboards which allow no dissenting voice, that's just reinforcing a walled view of the world. It's like a micro social experiment?

I mean sure, when I was in the stands back in the day and the ref gave a decision against you you'd howl against it. But then, you'd go home think about it, maybe curse your luck, but there weren't these lurid suggestions of conspiracy that we see today? Or have I remembered that wrong?

It'd be an interesting study, for sure.

It's a bubble, not entirely dissimilar to the political and social bubbles that exist on social media. A relentless stream of content and opinions that serve only to re-enforce one's own entrenched beliefs and biases, allowing for zero nuance.

No shades of grey. It's black or it's white. This or that and if you disagree then you are enemy.

It's all so exhausting.

 

[Gwylan]

If this is a thing, however, then the 'totting up' process should really be formalized better in the laws.

As I said, I'm not a football ref so I don't know what the guidelines are. However, in rugby, the totting up process works in such a way that a player doesn't have to have committed a previous offence before being sent to the bin for persistent offences, if his team mates have been doing it. And that's not subjective interpretation, we're actually encouraged to do it.

I was certainly thinking about it during the Crawley game after about six fouls in quick succession. In rugby, I'd have said to the captain, the next player to commit a foul goes off. Perhaps football should introduce such a rule.

 

[essbee1]

The acid test for me is if one of our players had already got a yellow and raised his leg however slightly
to stop a free-kick and then got another yellow (meaning red), would I be miffed? Probably 'yes'. But would
I rant over it. No. The rules are the rules.

 

[Han Solo]

Were there delusional fan bases before? I can't remember

Because it strikes me that fans are being fed a diet of totally one sided fan TV, fan twitter accounts and messageboards which allow no dissenting voice, that's just reinforcing a walled view of the world. It's like a micro social experiment?

I mean sure, when I was in the stands back in the day and the ref gave a decision against you you'd howl against it. But then, you'd go home think about it, maybe curse your luck, but there weren't these lurid suggestions of conspiracy that we see today? Or have I remembered that wrong?

Oh yes. People went to a game, made monkey sounds against the black guys, chanted homophobic slurs for 90 minutes, beat up a guy dressed in the wrong shirt outside of the stadium, then went home and took a cup of tea and thought "the ref was ok today".