Are you Catholic? Do you give a damn that the Pope is coming?

[Tyrone Biggums]

I was with you for most of that however how many times has the Catholic Church rewritten the jolly old Bible ?

Given that the King James version of the bible is that by which most of us know it i couldn't really answer that question. That version was contributed to in its translation by Catholics and Protestants and used by both.

The 21st Century King James Version is a minor update of the King James Version. However, unlike the New King James Version, it does not alter the language significantly from the 1611 version,

So after 1611, i'd say to answer your question very little.

 

[8ace]

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Who has he murdered you deluded man?

Hardly deluded. Those that follow a man made belief are that!!

As far as murderer he and his words/preaches have condemned many a poor innocent to a slow and painful death.

 

[Scampi]

Heard the pope speaking for the first time today. Doesn't he sound sinister, that softly spoken German accent. I can just imagine him threatining to send the priests round to touch your bum.

 

[ROKERITE]

I think it is completely unfair to criticise The Pope for his brief membership of The Hitler Youth; he had little choice in that matter. However, 20% of The Nazi Party were practising Roman Catholics.
I don't regard this fellow as any worse than John Paul 2nd, John Paul 2nd just created a better image. The massive damage to the planet and millions of individuals that Benedict is overseeing is just a continuation of the destruction that occurred under John Paul 2nd.

 

[Lewes' best seagull]

I would like to not give a damn. I'm annoyed that a kiddy-fiddler and a mass murderer would be treated like royalty.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Why do I need to give over on the Nazi thing?? A serious disrespect to Germans?? are you totally mental?

I'm not the f***ing POPE you goon.

I've said most of what I can on this thread so gonna let it lie, however

Most young Germans were forced into the Hitler Youth. You are disrespecting Germans because:

a) I would imagine every German has a grandparent/great grandparent who "collaborated" with the Nazis. To refer to them as Nazis now is basically no step up from singing "10 German Bombers".

b) Standing up to the Nazis required tremendous bravery and we should fondly remember those that did. To suggest it was an easy thing to do and that we should criticise those who didn't I think belittles the courage shown by groups such as the White Rose.

As for the Pope thing, he is a human being and doesn't have to have lived a perfect life - as the lives of many saints and biblical figures will tell you. I don't have a problem with the fact that he wasn't one of the bravest of the brave who stood up to the Nazis.

 

[Gully]

Heard the pope speaking for the first time today. Doesn't he sound sinister, that softly spoken German accent. I can just imagine him threatining to send the priests round to touch your bum.

I can imagine him doing adverts for Werthers Originals!

 

[The Mole]

I can't answer this poll as there is no "Other" option. I was brought up as a Catholic but would consider myself to be agnostic now. But as the play says "Once a Catholic always a Catholic".

One of the most depressing things I find on this thread is that anti-catholic prejudice more relevant to Henry VIII's time is alive and well in this country. People who wouldn't be anti-semitic or racist seem quite happy to harbour prejudice against a strong religion.

There are good things the Catholic church does along with bad things - but to some people all priests have to be paedophiles. There are many examples of priests showing great courage.

On a non-religious note - of course the State should welcome the Pope - he is a very significant world figure. This coverage is shown all over the world. Before everyone complains about the cost of policing - how much does it cost to police all the sporting events we enjoy? I think clubs only foot the bill for police inside the grounds.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

I can imagine him doing adverts for Werthers Originals!

I think with a matching white cat he’d make a pretty good Bond villain

 

[Dandyman]

Pious was awarded the Righteous Among the Nations. You must not know of it. It'sthe highest award you can receive from the Jewish states.



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"I came back from Auschwitz on my own. I lost my mother, two sisters, a niece and one brother. Pius XII could have warned us about what was going to happen. we might have escaped from Rome and joined the partisans. He played right into the Germans hands. It all happened right under his nose, but he was an anti-semitic Pope, a pro-German Pope. He did n't take a single risk and when they say the Pope is like Jesus Christ it is not true. He did not save a single child. Nothing"

- Settimia Spizzichino (the sole Jewish women to have survived the deportation of Rome's Jews).

 

[wellquickwoody]

Whilst I personally always enjoy baiting a few of my non-anglican claiming to be Irish friends, it is usually all in a very friendly way. I also have to question the wisdom of the very experienced, learned folks of the Vatican when they claim that the Cardinal who made the 'third world' comments is not coming on this state visit because of ill health. Do they really believe the public are that f**king stupid? Get back to the dark ages you con merchants!

On another closely related topic, why is it NSC members are allowed to rip the p*ss out of the Catholic Church but we have to be ever so careful when mentioning Islam?

Moderators?

 

[Little Piggy]

And will you f***ing give over on the Nazi thing? Forget the Pope, I think you are showing a serious disprespect to Germans, not to mention those who were brave enough to stand up to the Nazis and faced their death as a result, by constantly suggesting that you are so f***ing great that you would have.

Yeah, all these Nazi accusations are dull.

Oh, wait!

BBC News - Row after Popes remarks on atheism and Nazis

You have to admit that the man, although not a nazi, is a dick and doing the reputation of Catholicism absolutely no good.

 

[Muhammad - I’m hard - Bruce Lee]

i was raised a (strict) catholic and went to newman.
after being ...
sworn at
spat at
shot at
and ....
seeing my mate blown to fuckin pieces during my 3 tours in northern ireland in the late 1970's.....
i turned my back on religion in general and Catholicism in particular.


pope?
f*** OFF.

god?
SAME

 

[cunning fergus]

I've said most of what I can on this thread so gonna let it lie, however

Most young Germans were forced into the Hitler Youth. You are disrespecting Germans because:

a) I would imagine every German has a grandparent/great grandparent who "collaborated" with the Nazis. To refer to them as Nazis now is basically no step up from singing "10 German Bombers".

b) Standing up to the Nazis required tremendous bravery and we should fondly remember those that did. To suggest it was an easy thing to do and that we should criticise those who didn't I think belittles the courage shown by groups such as the White Rose.

As for the Pope thing, he is a human being and doesn't have to have lived a perfect life - as the lives of many saints and biblical figures will tell you. I don't have a problem with the fact that he wasn't one of the bravest of the brave who stood up to the Nazis.

I agree standing up to the Nazis did take courage and we should remember them fondly. So buy a poppy and wear it with pride.

 

[7:18]

I have absolutely no opinion on this matter.

Hope that helps.

this

 

[ATFC Seagull]

I agree standing up to the Nazis did take courage and we should remember them fondly. So buy a poppy and wear it with pride.

You say that as if I don't. In fact I quite often visit my English great-grandfather's grave in Cassel, where he was killed defending the evacuation of Dunkirk.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Yeah, all these Nazi accusations are dull.

Oh, wait!

BBC News - Row after Popes remarks on atheism and Nazis

You have to admit that the man, although not a nazi, is a dick and doing the reputation of Catholicism absolutely no good.

Absolute bollocks. He was saying that what the Nazis did shows people who had no time for God. I think anyone can agree with that. He wasn't blaming atheism, he was trying to distance those fuckers from Catholicism.

He addresses the issue that most people are using to have a go at him and the church, and still some are trying to turn it into an issue.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

I've said most of what I can on this thread so gonna let it lie, however

Most young Germans were forced into the Hitler Youth. You are disrespecting Germans because:

a) I would imagine every German has a grandparent/great grandparent who "collaborated" with the Nazis. To refer to them as Nazis now is basically no step up from singing "10 German Bombers".

b) Standing up to the Nazis required tremendous bravery and we should fondly remember those that did. To suggest it was an easy thing to do and that we should criticise those who didn't I think belittles the courage shown by groups such as the White Rose.

As for the Pope thing, he is a human being and doesn't have to have lived a perfect life - as the lives of many saints and biblical figures will tell you. I don't have a problem with the fact that he wasn't one of the bravest of the brave who stood up to the Nazis.

This:

An exerpt from Austin Klines very informative piece concerning Herr Ratfinger:

"Joseph Ratzinger joined the Hitler Youth in 1941 when, according to him and his supporters, it became compulsory for all German boys. Millions of Germans were in a position similar to that of Joseph Ratzinger and his family, so why spend so much time focusing on him? Because he is no longer merely Joseph Ratzinger, or even a Catholic Cardinal — he is now Pope Benedict XVI. None of the other Germans who joined the Hitler Youth, were part of the military in Nazi Germany, lived near a concentration camp, and watched Jews being rounded up for death camps has ever become pope.

The pope is supposed to be the successor of Peter, leader of the Christian Church, and symbol of unity for all Christendom. The past actions — or inactions — of such a person matter a great deal if anyone is going to treat him as any sort of moral authority. Ratzinger’s recollections of his youth in Nazi Germany makes it seem as though all the problems, violence, and hatred existed outside his local community. There is no recognition that resistance to the Nazis existed — or was needed — just outside his door."

Now I won't say anything more.

 

[auschr]

the old pope was a much nicer person than this nobhead, he sounds more like a forum troll than a pope.