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Or to the moderates in his party. I guess we will have to wait and see whether he kicks out what's left of the moderates again or stops/changes the rollout of Duncan-Smith's Universal credits to find out
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[Politics] Are you a so called working class Conservative ?
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Or to the moderates in his party. I guess we will have to wait and see whether he kicks out what's left of the moderates again or stops/changes the rollout of Duncan-Smith's Universal credits to find out
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From Wikipedia
Would be interesting to see how those on here pigeonhole themselves
Main article: Great British Class Survey
On 2 April 2013 analysis of the results of a survey,[30] which was conducted by the BBC in 2011 and developed in collaboration with academic experts, was published online in the journal Sociology.[31][32][33][34][35] The results released were based on a survey of 160,000 residents of the United Kingdom most of whom lived in England and described themselves as "white." Class was defined and measured according to the amount and kind of economic, cultural, and social resources, "capitals", reported. Economic capital was defined as income and assets; cultural capital as amount and type of cultural interests and activities, and social capital as the quantity and social status of their friends, family and personal and business contacts.[34] This theoretical framework was inspired by that of Pierre Bourdieu, who published his theory of social distinction in 1979.
Results
Analysis of the survey revealed seven classes: a wealthy "elite;" a prosperous salaried "middle class" consisting of professionals and managers; a class of technical experts; a class of ‘new affluent’ workers, and at the lower levels of the class structure, in addition to an ageing traditional working class, a ‘precariat’ characterised by very low levels of capital, and a group of emergent service workers. The fracturing of the middle sectors of the social structure into distinguishable factions separated by generational, economic, cultural, and social characteristics was considered notable by the authors of the research.[36][37]
Elite
Members of the elite class are the top 6% of British society with very high economic capital (particularly savings), high social capital, and very 'highbrow' cultural capital. Occupations such as chief executive officers, IT and telecommunications directors, marketing and sales directors; functional managers and directors, solicitors, barristers and judges, financial managers, higher education teachers,[38] dentists, doctors and advertising and public relations directors were strongly represented.[39] However, those in the established and 'acceptable' professions, such as academia, law and medicine are more traditional upper middle class identifiers, with IT and sales being the preserve of the economic if not social middle class.
Established middle class
Members of the established middle class, about 25% of British society, reported high economic capital, high status of mean social contacts, and both high highbrow and high emerging cultural capital. Well-represented occupations included electrical engineers, occupational therapists, social workers, midwives, environmental professionals, quality assurance and regulatory professionals, town planning officials, and special needs teaching professionals.[40]
Technical middle class
The technical middle class, about 6% of British society, shows high economic capital, very high status of social contacts, but relatively few contacts reported, and moderate cultural capital. Occupations represented include medical radiographers, aircraft pilots, pharmacists, natural and social science professionals and physical scientists, and business, research, and administrative positions.[41]
New affluent workers
New affluent workers, about 15% of British society, show moderately good economic capital, relatively poor status of social contacts, though highly varied, and moderate highbrow but good emerging cultural capital. Occupations include electricians and electrical fitters; postal workers; retail cashiers and checkout operatives; plumbers and heating and ventilation technicians; sales and retail assistants; housing officers; kitchen and catering assistants; quality assurance technicians.[41]
Traditional working class
The traditional working class, about 14% of British society, shows relatively poor economic capital, but some housing assets, few social contacts, and low highbrow and emerging cultural capital. Typical occupations include electrical and electronics technicians; care workers; cleaners; van drivers; electricians; residential, day, and domiciliary care [41]
Emergent service sector
The emergent service sector, about 19% of British society, shows relatively poor economic capital, but reasonable household income, moderate social contacts, high emerging (but low highbrow) cultural capital. Typical occupations include bar staff, chefs, nursing auxiliaries and assistants, assemblers and routine operatives, care workers, elementary storage occupations, customer service occupations, and musicians.[41]
Precariat
The precariat, about 15% of British society, shows poor economic capital, and the lowest scores on every other criterion. Typical occupations include cleaners, van drivers, care workers, carpenters and joiners, caretakers, leisure and travel service occupations, shopkeepers and proprietors, and retail cashiers.[42]
Would be interesting to see how those on here pigeonhole themselves
Main article: Great British Class Survey
On 2 April 2013 analysis of the results of a survey,[30] which was conducted by the BBC in 2011 and developed in collaboration with academic experts, was published online in the journal Sociology.[31][32][33][34][35] The results released were based on a survey of 160,000 residents of the United Kingdom most of whom lived in England and described themselves as "white." Class was defined and measured according to the amount and kind of economic, cultural, and social resources, "capitals", reported. Economic capital was defined as income and assets; cultural capital as amount and type of cultural interests and activities, and social capital as the quantity and social status of their friends, family and personal and business contacts.[34] This theoretical framework was inspired by that of Pierre Bourdieu, who published his theory of social distinction in 1979.
Results
Analysis of the survey revealed seven classes: a wealthy "elite;" a prosperous salaried "middle class" consisting of professionals and managers; a class of technical experts; a class of ‘new affluent’ workers, and at the lower levels of the class structure, in addition to an ageing traditional working class, a ‘precariat’ characterised by very low levels of capital, and a group of emergent service workers. The fracturing of the middle sectors of the social structure into distinguishable factions separated by generational, economic, cultural, and social characteristics was considered notable by the authors of the research.[36][37]
Elite
Members of the elite class are the top 6% of British society with very high economic capital (particularly savings), high social capital, and very 'highbrow' cultural capital. Occupations such as chief executive officers, IT and telecommunications directors, marketing and sales directors; functional managers and directors, solicitors, barristers and judges, financial managers, higher education teachers,[38] dentists, doctors and advertising and public relations directors were strongly represented.[39] However, those in the established and 'acceptable' professions, such as academia, law and medicine are more traditional upper middle class identifiers, with IT and sales being the preserve of the economic if not social middle class.
Established middle class
Members of the established middle class, about 25% of British society, reported high economic capital, high status of mean social contacts, and both high highbrow and high emerging cultural capital. Well-represented occupations included electrical engineers, occupational therapists, social workers, midwives, environmental professionals, quality assurance and regulatory professionals, town planning officials, and special needs teaching professionals.[40]
Technical middle class
The technical middle class, about 6% of British society, shows high economic capital, very high status of social contacts, but relatively few contacts reported, and moderate cultural capital. Occupations represented include medical radiographers, aircraft pilots, pharmacists, natural and social science professionals and physical scientists, and business, research, and administrative positions.[41]
New affluent workers
New affluent workers, about 15% of British society, show moderately good economic capital, relatively poor status of social contacts, though highly varied, and moderate highbrow but good emerging cultural capital. Occupations include electricians and electrical fitters; postal workers; retail cashiers and checkout operatives; plumbers and heating and ventilation technicians; sales and retail assistants; housing officers; kitchen and catering assistants; quality assurance technicians.[41]
Traditional working class
The traditional working class, about 14% of British society, shows relatively poor economic capital, but some housing assets, few social contacts, and low highbrow and emerging cultural capital. Typical occupations include electrical and electronics technicians; care workers; cleaners; van drivers; electricians; residential, day, and domiciliary care [41]
Emergent service sector
The emergent service sector, about 19% of British society, shows relatively poor economic capital, but reasonable household income, moderate social contacts, high emerging (but low highbrow) cultural capital. Typical occupations include bar staff, chefs, nursing auxiliaries and assistants, assemblers and routine operatives, care workers, elementary storage occupations, customer service occupations, and musicians.[41]
Precariat
The precariat, about 15% of British society, shows poor economic capital, and the lowest scores on every other criterion. Typical occupations include cleaners, van drivers, care workers, carpenters and joiners, caretakers, leisure and travel service occupations, shopkeepers and proprietors, and retail cashiers.[42]
It doesn’t surprise that you don’t, interesting thought though, a man who describes himself as
‘working class’ being a landlord and collecting rent from someone who by his own definition is probably working class....
Good to see a sensible post. Labour supporters seem so bitter. I am not a great supporter of either party but give them a chance its only been a few weeks. Brexit agreement will dominate there agenda. It will not be until this is done that they can get on with domestic matters. Start judging them in 2 years and same as any party in power I hope for all our sakes they are a success..
As I said, it’s not my definition. I have heard many definitions and George Orwell’s is the one which makes the most sense to me. Whatever you say, my history, beliefs, values and traditions are all working class.
All of them . Because every Law they pass becomes the new Law . Thus making everything they do "Lawful".
If Boris Johnson wants to ban the wearing of nickers outdoors now he can do
There are loads of different definitions with no one particular one more acceptable than another. But class - or at least status - is fluid if you ask me.
My dad was born in a two room flat in Kings Cross and my grandad worked in factories. I grew up in a small house in Hove living week to week. Then my mum got a really good job and we moved to a bigger house. Then they divorced and it was back to counting the pennies and living where we could. Then I moved in and flat shared with a load of mates. Now I work in IT and have a hatchback and a mortgage. Pick the bones out of that. However, as a Labour voter (albeit centre left) and football fan I'd consider myself working class.
The funniest defiinition I ever saw, and I forget which book it was in, was that middle class people could have a well stocked drinks cabinet and wine cellar and the working class drank the booze they'd bought that day. There's a certain ring to that.
And then someone started this thread.................
Agreed, surly we can have a Politics Thread and you guys can merge into that?
I’d love to know what your working class traditions are?
It only ‘makes sense to you’ because by any other definition you wouldn’t be working class now would you and let’s be frank you like telling people you’re working class.
Lenny Rider
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- Sep 15, 2010
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Talking about this the other day, given the part of the country we live in, will most of us as we get older move towards the Tory party and what they stand for, because we've all worked for what we've got and we want to 'conserve' that, and don't like seeing that lot from the Jeremy Kyle Show living off handouts from the welfare state?
Live by the sea
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- Oct 21, 2016
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There is nothing wrong with that at all. Most sensible people I know are, especially over 30 when you have more idea of economics & what sounds sensible and fair .
Being aspirational and wanting to do the best for yourself and your family is what being Conservative is all about. Need to make sure tempered with enough support for the NHS & the less fortunate or able but the early signs from this conservative govt are quite good in that regard.
I only tell people when they erroneously suggest I’m middle-class. Mainly [MENTION=15278]Beach Seagull[/MENTION].
I “drink the booze I bought that day.“
Palacefinder General
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Ian, with all due respect and all that, you are the very epitome of being born a working class Tory, if that makes any sense.
Live by the sea
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George Orwell was an anti Semitic extreme socialist, possibly not the best example !
Palacefinder General
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Craft beer doesn’t count.
I don't believe you've read Animal Farm. You may well have watched the film though.
Moshe Gariani
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- Mar 10, 2005
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I'm sure many will relate to that
We currently have a few bottles of red wine in "stock" on our wine rack which is a very unusual circumstance. It will be shortlived but Aldi's £2.99 Rioja was too good to pass up as a bulk purchase...