[Albion] Are we just a bit…

[trueblue]

How do you come to that conclusion when last night we had 28 shots or whatever and none troubled the keeper. That’s poor skill / mentality from the player

I think first half, we were ok. Second half, disorganised and awful. Easy for people to put all the blame on players and say it’s bad decision-making but decisions come naturally through repetition and good coaching. Look at how so many improved under Potter and De Zerbi. There were obvious (sometimes too obvious) patterns to the play and strong partnerships on the pitch. Currently we have 11 players largely trying to do it on their own, a talented squad getting worse, not better. Maybe they just need a lucky win. Let’s hope so.

 

[nevergoagain]

Just Brighton being Brighton for me. We have a long history of not being able to finish off games that we are in control of, way before Hurzeler. I can't remember the last time we had a regulation 2-0 home win in the league that didn't have us all shitting ourselves for the last 10mins. Ruthlessness up top and composure at the back are big problems but I'd still back us to get something when we play any of the big teams.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

We ended last season in 2024 with 4 wins, 6 draws and 9 loses in the Premier League.

I'm not sure what our identifiable game plan was at this point. To lose?

Obviously last season died a horrible death once injuries derailed everything, but the football that got us into Europe, a penalty kick from an FA Cup final, topping our Europa League group, that was some very special football.

 

[BNthree]

Yes we are just a bit shitter than we thought we were are. Helps to reel our expectations in.

 

[brighton_tom]

Yes we are just a bit shitter than we thought we were are. Helps to reel our expectations in.

& that’s fine this season. We all said about patience being needed this season, & that it will take time for new players/coaches to settle in. So a season of mid table mediocrity was always on the cards.

 

[AK74]

These are a rough patch.

 

[BadFish]

we’re ALWAYS in transition/rebuilding. name one season where there hasn’t been a case to make that argument.

Unless we get bought by a petrol state, we always will be as that is our model. It's only to different degrees. This season is more so

 

[boik]

How do you come to that conclusion when last night we had 28 shots or whatever and none troubled the keeper. That’s poor skill / mentality from the players

Did you not hear Fab on the touchline shouting "Don't aim at the goal"?? Deffo the managers fault.

 

[macbeth]

Unless we get bought by a petrol state, we always will be as that is our model. It's only to different degrees. This season is more so

so really there’s no time we can ever expect to be doing better because, as you say, it is the nature of the model. don’t get me wrong, i think there are plenty of reasons why the transition this season might make things a bit difficult, but balance that out by saying actually, we aren’t going to have this level
of talent and depth next season as we will most likely have to make sales. a subpar 15th place finish is acceptable, but would still be a missed opportunity. so simply saying we’re in transition and that’s that is a bit of a cop out, imo

 

[maresfield seagull]

Meh, don't think so. We were shit against Palace, but in all the other disappointing results, if you were asked to choose which side to support purely based on the two performances, you would pick Brighton time and again, surely?

I don't think we would call Brentford shit, but we'd be far more disappointed if we had turned in their performance. Yet the Brentford fans seem very pleased. Not sure what to make about that to be honest.

Due to all the missing injured players
and poor form away , they are currently enduring
We would be happy in the same circumstances I d wager

 

[Silverhatch]

Shit. We fuckin murdered Brentford in the first half. We can’t take our chances. That is shit (but it happens).

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

People who think this is just a bit of bad form have their head in the sand imho. When was the last time we played well for more than 45 minutes? It just hasn't happened this season.

We are relying on 'moments' to win us games, rather than performances.

The sad thing is that in the gritty wins at Newcastle and Bournemouth we showed a lot of team spirit to ride out the storm. That seems long gone now.

 

[BadFish]

so really there’s no time we can ever expect to be doing better because, as you say, it is the nature of the model. don’t get me wrong, i think there are plenty of reasons why the transition this season might make things a bit difficult, but balance that out by saying actually, we aren’t going to have this level
of talent and depth next season as we will most likely have to make sales. a subpar 15th place finish is acceptable, but would still be a missed opportunity. so simply saying we’re in transition and that’s that is a bit of a cop out, imo

We are doing better, this is it. This is exactly where TB said he wanted to be, a top ten team with the occasional sortie into Europe.

We all jumped up and down with glee when this was suggested. What a dream!. With this suggestion comes the idea that progress will not be linear, there will be ups and downs and bumps in the road. Backward step to move forward.

As frustrating as the last few games have been, this is our reality. The same reality we were all gleeful about a few years ago.

The only thing that has changed or gone off piste is (some of) our fan's expectations. Which is embarrassing. But that is part of the process too.

 

[chickens]

we’re ALWAYS in transition/rebuilding. name one season where there hasn’t been a case to make that argument.

That’s our model. When they become finished article players, Liverpool, Chelsea, Real Madrid etc. are waiting to take them off our books.

At present we have an underbaked CM, with a lot of options, but no settled engine room. (My preferred pairing changes depending on opposition, but Baleba is always present)

We’re trying to bring young players through all over the pitch. From GK to centre-forward. To be developing the players and team cohesion simultaneously is a big ask.

New players are always welcomed by fans, for coaches they’re bloody hard work as they have to be taught and integrated, and FH is doing that while he is familiarising himself with the club. In an ideal world a coach doesn’t want more than 2-3 of new players per transfer window, as it means a lot of new variables added into the mix.

 

[TottonSeagull]

We are doing better, this is it. This is exactly where TB said he wanted to be, a top ten team with the occasional sortie into Europe.

We all jumped up and down with glee when this was suggested. What a dream!. With this suggestion comes the idea that progress will not be linear, there will be ups and downs and bumps in the road. Backward step to move forward.

As frustrating as the last few games have been, this is our reality. The same reality we were all gleeful about a few years ago.

The only thing that has changed or gone off piste is (some of) our fan's expectations. Which is embarrassing. But that is part of the process too.

Yep, we are little old Brighton and should under no circumstances wish to do better! Not sure TB would agree!

 

[BadFish]

Yep, we are little old Brighton and should under no circumstances wish to do better! Not sure TB would agree!

My post absolutely does not say that.

Clearly we can expect to do better, we are doing better, we are continuing to improve: the improvement is just not linear and straight forward.

It says this : With this suggestion comes the idea that progress will not be linear, there will be ups and downs and bumps in the road. Backward step to move forward.

Unless I have missed a press release that TB has updated our goals we are still on: top ten with occasional forays into europe?

Next step: regular inclusion in Europe I would guess but that is a big step after 1 season of European football.

 

[macbeth]

We are doing better, this is it. This is exactly where TB said he wanted to be, a top ten team with the occasional sortie into Europe.

We all jumped up and down with glee when this was suggested. What a dream!. With this suggestion comes the idea that progress will not be linear, there will be ups and downs and bumps in the road. Backward step to move forward.

As frustrating as the last few games have been, this is our reality. The same reality we were all gleeful about a few years ago.

The only thing that has changed or gone off piste is (some of) our fan's expectations. Which is embarrassing. But that is part of the process too.

to be clear, 10th is fine for me. especially this season. i just really really don’t like the use of blanket excuses like being ‘in transition’. we could be in transition until the cows come home and throwing away two two-goal leads with seconds to play would still be far from alright. if the reason for us not doing certain things is ‘we lack x or y’, then fair enough, but being ‘in transition’ says nothing really

 

[Weststander]

It’s a very mixed bag.

Shit as a defensive unit (Estupinan’s defensive game has gone to pieces, Baleba no longer a rock to rely on).
Many 45 minutes of fantastic creative play.
Many 45 minutes of uptight play with the ball, wouldn’t score another goal if there was 30 minutes of added time. You know in a second when the team have entered these phases, little is done about it.

 

[macbeth]

That’s our model. When they become finished article players, Liverpool, Chelsea, Real Madrid etc. are waiting to take them off our books.

At present we have an underbaked CM, with a lot of options, but no settled engine room. (My preferred pairing changes depending on opposition, but Baleba is always present)

We’re trying to bring young players through all over the pitch. From GK to centre-forward. To be developing the players and team cohesion simultaneously is a big ask.

New players are always welcomed by fans, for coaches they’re bloody hard work as they have to be taught and integrated, and FH is doing that while he is familiarising himself with the club. In an ideal world a coach doesn’t want more than 2-3 of new players per transfer window, as it means a lot of new variables added into the mix.

your above post is exactly my point. maybe i’m being a bit obtuse here, but identifying areas where we are lacking, or pointing out flaws in the squad/gameplan are legitimate reasons for not winning games when we should be. just saying ‘we’re in transition’ feels like a catch-all excuse that doesn’t really develop on what’s actually going on.

 

[BadFish]

to be clear, 10th is fine for me. especially this season. i just really really don’t like the use of blanket excuses like being ‘in transition’. we could be in transition until the cows come home and throwing away two two-goal leads with seconds to play would still be far from alright. if the reason for us not doing certain things is ‘we lack x or y’, then fair enough, but being ‘in transition’ says nothing really

I think we mostly agree, I am not going to argue about semantics.

Trust the process, rebuilding, in transition, bedding in players, learning the league, learning the team. It's all the same and it means we may have to be patience.

Alternatively something is rotten in Denmark and the manager has to be moved on and TB will do that thing.

Our discussion, excuses or whatever make no difference to the process/rebuild/transition anyway.

These are the times that make the good times better.