[News] Are we at war?

[A mex eyecan]

Martians?

if they did invade I think we are all do divided we would still turn on each other rather than come together

 

[maltaseagull]

No but I think things are starting to escalate in the Middle East into something extremely messy and dangerous, and the only way we can start to de-escalate is for Israel to be bought back under control which nobody seems interested in doing

Maybe do the same for Iran too?
They fund so much killing.

 

[Lenny Rider]

There's an argument we've been at war for years, just not in the sense of mass armed conflict between the biggest nations. Poisonings here and elsewhere, espionage apparently increasing, technology as a state means of mass surveillance of foreign populations (Huawei accusations for eg), hacking at an astronomical scale to compromise essential infrastructure, attempted and successful election interference, and then all the proxy conflicts that have gone on for decades. At the moment it feels like it wouldn't take much to tip that over into major armed conflict, it feels horribly like it's all building up to it.

Was it Nixon who said WW3 effectively started when the USA dropped the second bomb on Japan and so ended WW2, and every conflict since that day has technically been a battle in the ‘bigger’ war between the US and Russia?

 

[Justice]

Was listening to a debate about the national service being re introduced. The majority of foreign folk who have made the UK their home said they would all leave with their kids so they didn’t have to fight for this country. Rats leaving a sinking ship sprang to mind.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Are we at war? Maybe in a 21st century sense we are.

Should we be at war is the question?

Well ideally not. But should we leave civilian shipping to be sunk without any fear of response? Probably not

Should we allow Putin to march into whatever country he wants? No I don't think so either?

I know loads will pile on to say we just shouldn't get involved. But I think we should. But it shouldn't just be left to the US and Britain (and a handful prepared to do something meaningful to help Ukraine). These are the worlds problems.

And I know loads will also pile on a dredge up decisions which were made decades ago. Well maybe there are debates to be had and if someone wants to create a general discussions on the right and wrongs of history thread i'm sure it will be fascinating. But the question at hand is what should Biden, Sunak, Macron, Sholtz and about 200 other leaders do right now. I think turning the other cheek is the wrong thing to do here.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

It feels like we might be?

US says strikes on Iran-linked militias just ‘the beginning’ of its response

National security adviser refuses to rule out targeting Iran after 85 sites were attacked in Iraq and Syria

www.theguardian.com

Since 1066.

 

[studio150]

What's the insurance war exclusion

War or a warlike operation or operations (whether war has been declared or not).

I think we are clearly in the warlike operations where war has or not been declared.

How long before the Houthi or other bad players start raining missiles down on London

 

[Oh_aye]

Nah it was just one guy getting knocked out and a bit of handbags at the station.

 

[The Clamp]

Was listening to a debate about the national service being re introduced. The majority of foreign folk who have made the UK their home said they would all leave with their kids so they didn’t have to fight for this country. Rats leaving a sinking ship sprang to mind.

Source?

 

[Justice]

Source?

LBC show one evening

 

[The Clamp]

LBC show one evening

How many immigrants were on there?

Not being argumentative just trying to get an idea of numbers.

 

[dangull]

Were apparently on the side of a nation who supports a country that thinks 2000 deaths should be compensated by at least 25,000 on the other side and bombing the hell out of Gaza, and 3 USA military for at least 60 on the other side. Most on the other side are innocent people.

 

[Hamilton]

It feels like we might be?

US says strikes on Iran-linked militias just ‘the beginning’ of its response

National security adviser refuses to rule out targeting Iran after 85 sites were attacked in Iraq and Syria

www.theguardian.com

When have we not been at war?

 

[StonehamPark]

We are involved in multiple proxy wars.

We are not directly or explicitly at war.

 

[Justice]

How many immigrants were on there?

Not being argumentative just trying to get an idea of numbers.

I dunno 20 or something how many can you get into a two hour radio phone in.

 

[Frutos]

No, just old men sending out young men to kill each other.

The world never changes.

Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori

 

[Eeyore]

Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori

Thankfully I had a history teacher who gave a reality check to the Great War.

 

[Justice]

Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori

Not anymore

 

[Eeyore]

When have we not been at war?

When the UK left Afghanistan in 2014, according to The Guardian, it was the first time since 1914 that they weren't engaged in conflict somewhere.

I did think there was a single year in 60s, but anyway.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Are we at war? Maybe in a 21st century sense we are.

Should we be at war is the question?

Well ideally not. But should we leave civilian shipping to be sunk without any fear of response? Probably not

Should we allow Putin to march into whatever country he wants? No I don't think so either?

I know loads will pile on to say we just shouldn't get involved. But I think we should. But it shouldn't just be left to the US and Britain (and a handful prepared to do something meaningful to help Ukraine). These are the worlds problems.

And I know loads will also pile on a dredge up decisions which were made decades ago. Well maybe there are debates to be had and if someone wants to create a general discussions on the right and wrongs of history thread i'm sure it will be fascinating. But the question at hand is what should Biden, Sunak, Macron, Sholtz and about 200 other leaders do right now. I think turning the other cheek is the wrong thing to do here.

Absolutely. Needs to include Saudi, Jordan, Egypt. Key players.

I listen to a really good podcast about it, called Conflicted.

Conflicted Podcast — Message Heard

Conflicted podcast: join Aimen Dean and Thomas Small on conflict in the Middle East.

messageheard.com

Basically said that Saudi said they weren’t getting involved as the US were still fighting with feather gloves on. They’d only get involved if action meant eliminating the Houthis rather than limited strikes which we are doing at the moment.