Are the disabled trying to run the country??

[Barrel of Fun]

I rest my case

 

[looney]

Your case is you post a, what looks like a snide remark, or is it a joke. I wouldnt know as it doesn't make any sense.


Stick to drooling over softporn, something your infantile mind can handle and leave the clever stuff to the adults.

 

[Beach Hut]

Your case is you post a, what looks like a snide remark, or is it a joke. I wouldnt know as it doesn't make any sense.


Stick to drooling over softporn, something your infantile mind can handle and leave the clever stuff to the adults.

Hail to the new leader, we are not worthy of you

 

[goldstone]

With THIS, the disabled really could RUN THE COUNTRY

http://www.tankchair.com/default.htm

Tank Chair is a Custom off-road wheelchair that can go anywhere outdoors. Conquers Streams, Mud, Snow, Sand, and Gravel, allowing you to get back to nature, and can also climb up and down stairs.

It would be a lot cheaper to provide the disabled with one of these each than to put in all these ramps at pedestrian crossings!!

 

[goldstone]

Re: Re: Are the disabled trying to run the country??

You absolute tosser

OK mate....you are in a wheel chair.....explain to me how you get on a Ex Thameslink train at east croydon station where the platforms are such that there is a gap of 2 feet and 2 feet high from the train?

Think outside the box for once in your life.

My point is, you cannot change everything for the small percentage of people that are unfortunately confined to wheelchairs.

It would be more sensible and cost effective to arrange wheelchair-friendly taxis for their journeys. And that would avoid going anywhere near East Croydon station.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Re: Re: Re: Are the disabled trying to run the country??

My point is, you cannot change everything for the small percentage of people that are unfortunately confined to wheelchairs.

It would be more sensible and cost effective to arrange wheelchair-friendly taxis for their journeys. And that would avoid going anywhere near East Croydon station.

Why should the disabled people be confined to a car and kept away from the public. What about traffic??

 

[Beach Hut]

Another very politically uncorrect point - if all disabled people used cars and not public transport there would be no parking space

 

[Dave the OAP]

Re: Re: Re: Are the disabled trying to run the country??

My point is, you cannot change everything for the small percentage of people that are unfortunately confined to wheelchairs.

It would be more sensible and cost effective to arrange wheelchair-friendly taxis for their journeys. And that would avoid going anywhere near East Croydon station.

Ok then Einstein, where do you draw the line. Is a blind person disabled, how about someone who has one eye and is partially sighted, or maybe someone who wears glasses, or maybe someone who is colour blind.

If you start going down the road of not making exceptions or legislation to protect the rights of people with disabilities, you then go down the path of " I'm alright jack, f*** the rest" which of course end up with the solution Hitler implemented.

 

[Charles 'Charley' Charles]

Re: Re: Re: Are the disabled trying to run the country??

My point is, you cannot change everything for the small percentage of people that are unfortunately confined to wheelchairs.

It would be more sensible and cost effective to arrange wheelchair-friendly taxis for their journeys. And that would avoid going anywhere near East Croydon station.

Oh my god, don't think I've ever read a more patronising post

 

[London Calling]

Couldn't be asked to read the majority of text b4 me.

Disabled people pay their taxes therefore should receive and have access to the same services.

They are not and should not be treated as second class citizens.

In addition, so called "disabled" facilities are in fact toilets that mean parents can change their children in comfort and safety, that elderly citizens can now utilised without fear of endangerment.

It is estimated that about 25% of people suffer a disability or long term illness. So they are not a minority!


LC

 

[London Calling]

Re: Re: Re: Are the disabled trying to run the country??

My point is, you cannot change everything for the small percentage of people that are unfortunately confined to wheelchairs.

It would be more sensible and cost effective to arrange wheelchair-friendly taxis for their journeys. And that would avoid going anywhere near East Croydon station.

So who f*** wit will pay for that?

Why should I pay for a "disabled" taxi costing what in London £10, £20 or more for a 80p bus journey.

Buses need to be designed for all. That's what we got in London. THE BIGGEST BUS FLEET IN THE World. If we can do it. Its about time you yorkels on the south coast sorting your own transport out.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

SWT are anal as a company, I sincerely hope they lose that franchise.

Wasn't it SWT a few years back that sacked all their long-serving drivers, then had to cancel huge numbers of trains because they hadn't been able to recruit & train enough new drivers on far inferior contracts?

 

[London Calling]

I agree with your argument but would you rather have 1 disabled person wait an hour for 1 train or have thousands of people including the disabled person having to wait an hour as a train has been taken out of service.

Yes it is frustrating and more could be done but surely there are better ways around it than to take so many trains out of service at the same time.

It not like the rail companies had years of prewarning?

The legislation actually dates back to 2001. The rail companies were involved in all stages of drafting the legislation. The white paper goes back to even further back in time.

They have had 4 years to implement the Act. It is public transport not transport for the healthy, rich and enabled.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Are the disabled trying to run the country??

Buses need to be designed for all. That's what we got in London. THE BIGGEST BUS FLEET IN THE World. If we can do it. Its about time you yorkels on the south coast sorting your own transport out.

In Brighton the red'n'yellow buses ARE wheelchair-friendly. They're pneumatic, the driver presses a wee button and the whole bus lowers itself so the wheelchair (or pushchair) can roll right on. Inside, most of the seats near the from have been made tip-up, so that a wheelchair or pushchair can tuck right in there.

Brighton & Hove Bus Company ROCKS!

 

[Beach Hut]

Wasn't it SWT a few years back that sacked all their long-serving drivers, then had to cancel huge numbers of trains because they hadn't been able to recruit & train enough new drivers on far inferior contracts?

Indeed and their Chief Exec remarked cheaper to pay the fine for not running trains then run them

 

[London Calling]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Are the disabled trying to run the country??

In Brighton the red'n'yellow buses ARE wheelchair-friendly. They're pneumatic, the driver presses a wee button and the whole bus lowers itself so the wheelchair (or pushchair) can roll right on. Inside, most of the seats near the from have been made tip-up, so that a wheelchair or pushchair can tuck right in there.

Brighton & Hove Bus Company ROCKS!

I know if we want to see our relatives in Peacehaven, with our children, we can't get on the buses (7) at the station but have to walk down ******* Queens Road to pick up buses at the clock tower, which will then drop me no where near their house, and we have to walk again.

Remember parents push people around in, they are called kids and we also have a right to use Public transport. We couldn't get our prams on the old slam door trains?

PS not aimed at you Tom.

 

[Everest]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Are the disabled trying to run the country??

In Brighton the red'n'yellow buses ARE wheelchair-friendly. They're pneumatic, the driver presses a wee button

Are they employing disabled drivers? Having to press a button to have a wee. Whatever next? Give them a bloody catheter and plastic bag! Saves money by not having a button, dinnit?

From 2010, the government says that all taxis must be wheelchair accessible. Bollocks to that. What about all the elderly that can walk, but won't be able to get in one of those? I've even picked up a wheelchair-bound lady who would much prefer a normal car to travel in because she feels safer and more comfortable.

 

[bhaexpress]

As far as it goes I think Lord B's comment about the train company's spin is very telling. When I discovered that the company concerned was SWT I can fully understnad it and thus express my contempt as I have had numerous bad experiences of SWT and Stagecoach, their parent company.

So a few obsolete trains get taken out of service, how bad is that ? I didn't agree with rail privatisation especially as so many of these new Train companies have failed utterly to imporove rolling stock that can be fifty years or more old.

As Des said too, scant allowance is made for disabled people on trains is but one example, Des' mention of East Croydon is but one small sample of what must be a problem to many disabled travellers and I'm sure there are plenty of other obsticles for people with all sorts of disabilities.

Disabled people are human being after all. I don't see why any decent person wouldn't want to make allowances for those less fortunate than themselves and I have to say the selfishness shown by a handful here is rather a shame.

As it I have no clue about what Looney is on about but I'm sure I'm not alone there, as it is I will refrain from mockery as I have alrady implied that mocking the afflicted is wrong.

 

[looney]

Disabled people pay their taxes therefore should receive and have access to the same services.

They are not and should not be treated as second class citizens.

In addition, so called "disabled" facilities are in fact toilets that mean parents can change their children in comfort and safety, that elderly citizens can now utilised without fear of endangerment.

It is estimated that about 25% of people suffer a disability or long term illness. So they are not a minority!


LC

anything under 50% is a minority. The 25% figure is grossley inflated and probably includes dyslexics etc.

There are 2 questions here.

Is it worth paying extra dosh so the SMALL percentage of people are not isolated and excluded?

I would say yes as its a mark of a civilised society.

The second question relates to the perverted Socialist mentality that thinks if one person suffers then all should.

I would say no.


The actual topic in a way broaches both questions, yea SWT are arsholes for not upgrading as they should but why should everyone suffer?

 

[bhaexpress]

The second question relates to the perverted Socialist mentality that thinks if one person suffers then all should.

I think you'll find that the regulation concerned is an edict from the 'Perverted Socialist' EEC and is effectively outside of of the British Governments control. I did something a while back where a large council had to switch ALL their telephone handsets to accomodate blind people. (The five needed a pimple on it so that visually impaired people could use the keypad). Okay for blind people but eff all help to deaf people though. Anyway that was definately an EEC edict.