Are labour voters the worst losers in the history of the world?

[hans kraay fan club]

Over half of those who voted wanted them. Some of those who didn't vote for them wanted them, some of those who didn't vote at all may have wanted them, some of those who didn't vote may not of wanted them. The sum of those who didn't vote is irrelevant as they did vote so don't count their concern not anyone elses. Get over it.

36.9% is quite a long way short of 'over half'.

 

[Stato]

Of course they could have voted Labour, but didn't, and therefore the result is as is. Lets just keep it simple, more than 80% of the population of the UK didn't vote Labour, and 75% didn't vote Conservative. This is the system.

The statement of how many people didn't vote Labour is correct, but wasn't in question

What was in question was your deductive reasoning in assuming that everybody who didn't vote Labour was either happy, or didn't care. This could not be reasoned. I believe it contains a syllogistic fallacy.

 

[BLOCK F]

You're quite right - I mixed his seat up with Alexander's. I still thought his speech was gracious though.

Even as a Tory voter, I quite like Jim Murphy.

 

[BLOCK F]

The statement of how many people didn't vote Labour is correct, but wasn't in question

What was in question was your deductive reasoning in assuming that everybody who didn't vote Labour was either happy, or didn't care. This could not be reasoned. I believe it contains a syllogistic fallacy.

Blimey, 'Syllogistic'.......................had to look that one up.

 

[drew]

You do realise that politics is real life don't you, not football? I am very very sad and very bitter about the result. It's not like chin up, there's another game next week - This is about how the country is being run and how we care for (or don't as the case is) our most vulnerable. It is not about being gracious, it's about what caring about what you believe in. Seeing how many tories are celebrating by poking fun at Milliband et al, tells you all you need to know about how them and their beliefs....

Have to agree with this. I get the impression that there are many people who voted tory because they were scared into it. Not all of course, but many. They were led to believe that Labour caused a global crisis. They were led to believe that Labour would be held to ransom by the SNP (not possible if Labour had the majority but certainly an indication that the Tories thought we were heading for another coalition).

Labour should have defended their record in Government, pointing out that their spending plans pre the crash, were going to be carried on by Osborne. When the Tories questioned whether you could trust Labour, they should have retorted about CDM's ability to trust the wrong people, aka Brooks and Coulson.

Hmm. So, labour wanting to "weaponise the NHS" isn't scaremongering i suppose. And don't give me the usual left-wing bollocks about it will be gone in 5 years, as that is just the usual, left-wing, emotional, scare story crap we've ****ed off with.

So a relatively throw away remark had been regurgitated by CDM ad infinitum. What exactly do you understand by the term 'weoponise the NHS'? To me, it merely meant they were going to make it a key issue, especially with what happened last time when we didn't have a top down reorganisation of the NHS!!!!

 

[Nibble]

Fair enough.
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Yep.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Many people vote Tory for selfless reasons. Many people vote Labour for selfish reasons.

 

[Stato]

Over half of those who voted wanted them. Some of those who didn't vote for them wanted them, some of those who didn't vote at all may have wanted them, some of those who didn't vote may not of wanted them. The sum of those who didn't vote is irrelevant as they did vote so don't count their concern not anyone elses. Get over it.

As explained, I wasn't arguing politics, or totals, only correcting the fault in the logical conclusion.

If some As are Bs and all Bs are Cs it does not necessarily follow that all As are Cs.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

As explained, I wasn't arguing politics, or totals, only correcting the fault in the logical conclusion.

If some As are Bs and all Bs are Cs it does not necessarily follow that all As are Cs.

But this is politics so there's never a logical conclusion just smoke and mirrors, oh and statistics.

 

[Stato]

But this is politics so there's never a logical conclusion just smoke and mirrors, oh and statistics.

True.

Though, as Sami Hyppia's time in charge seems to have proven to us:

Statistics = Smoke + Mirrors

 

[Elvis]

Many people vote Tory for selfless reasons. Many people vote Labour for selfish reasons.

Not really I would have been worse off financialy under a Labour government, they still got my vote. That is a sweeping statement that you cannot possibly back up.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

True.

Though, as Sami Hyppia's time in charge seems to have proven to us:

Statistics = Smoke + Mirrors

And wingbacks

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Many people vote Tory for selfless reasons. Many people vote Labour for selfish reasons.

I'm intrigued by the logic behind this as I would argue the opposite. I would suggest that a lot of people vote Tory because they are on an average or above wage and want to protect it and don't like their money going on benefits. A lot of people vote Labour because they are on a poor wage and want hand outs/higher minimum wage/more power for employees. That would make both groups selfish. Some richer people are Labour supporters because they want a fairer distribution of wealth. A lot of them may be hypocritical by accumulating more wealth than they need but it could be argued they are voting selflessly as they could face a fall in income if they win. Who are the poor people voting Tory and getting potentially poorer who are voting selflessly? I'm sure some vote for right wing policies unrelated to their income but I am interested how you arrived at your assertion?

 

[Surf's Up]

Probably - yes they are if the evidence of the last 48 hours is anything to go by.

 

[pastafarian]

How will the UKIP supporters who are clamouring for PR feel about an Islamic Party of Great Britain or similar entity turning up?

I very much doubt The Islamic Party Of Great Britain are going to reform any time soon,they tried their politics once and failed spectacularly, if they did reform they would have to drop their policy of gays need medical treatment and should be put to death for public affection or they will probably fall foul of current legislation.

Good anti PR scare tactic though,i expect you will be coming out with more of these little chestnuts if the PR debate continues.

 

[GT49er]

The sum of those who didn't vote is irrelevant as they did vote so don't count their concern not anyone elses

Those who didn't vote, did vote? Incisive political analysis of the week award!

 

[daveinprague]

I very much doubt The Islamic Party Of Great Britain are going to reform any time soon,they tried their politics once and failed spectacularly, if they did reform they would have to drop their policy of gays need medical treatment and should be put to death for public affection or they will probably fall foul of current legislation.

Good anti PR scare tactic though,i expect you will be coming out with more of these little chestnuts if the PR debate continues.

An anti PR tactic? haha. Prat.

Its an EXAMPLE of what PR can bring. Im sorry the 'massive' UKIP vote lost a seat, its not my fault. However, if you think its going to change anytime soon, keep hoping.

Who knows what can go on in politics. Farage has changed his mind about quitting already. Who would have thought it. The realisation that this bunch of clowns would literally fall apart without his leadership is pretty funny.

 

[Soulman]

This fella is not a loser, but he has had enough of the Labour party.

Lord Sugar announces he is quitting Labour because it is 'anti-business'


Business guru Lord Sugar quit the Labour Party today accusing it of becoming “anti-enterprise” under Ed Miliband.

The Apprentice star said he had been “disillusioned” for some time but kept quiet until after the election.

“In the past year I found myself losing confidence in the party due to their negative business policies and the anti-enterprise concepts they were considering if they were to be elected,” he said.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/lord-sugar-im-quitting-the-labour-party-10241290.html

 

[Soulman]

An anti PR tactic? haha. Prat.

Who knows what can go on in politics. Farage has changed his mind about quitting already. Who would have thought it. The realisation that this bunch of clowns would literally
fall apart without his leadership is pretty funny.

A big campaign was started and signed by thousands of supporters in support of Farage to stay on, why because he is popular, his party got nearly as many votes as the SNP, Lib Dems and Plaid, PUT TOGETHER, which with PR would have meant 83 seats.....that is why after doing the honourable thing and quitting, Farage is going to carry on. Unfortunately a lot of the antis will be gutted.
Has their been support for Milliband and Clegg to carrying on leading.........thought not.

 

[daveinprague]

Why would the antis be 'gutted' ? Seems like a tacit admission this party of clowns would go nowhere without him...sort of confirms what the 'antis' think about UKIP anyway

'“It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat."'