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[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

Is Labour going to turn the country around

  • Yes

    Votes: 132 26.1%
  • No

    Votes: 307 60.7%
  • Fence

    Votes: 67 13.2%

  • Total voters
    506








timbha

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
10,794
Sussex
If people are needed to make the NHS work they will have a job, if not tough.

That money can be used of nurses / equipment etc etc

It's about time this happened
People will be made redundant and paid off, replaced by highly paid contractors and consultants in the short term, and then replaced permanently albeit in “different” roles whilst the consultants “run for the hills” leaving an almighty mess behind.

What’s the betting the first recommendation is to upgrade the IT system so it’s all on one platform, running concurrently with a cost savings initiative and the engagement of a Procurement Director on a FTC😉😉
 
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Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
27,667
Can’t work out whether this is a good thing or not, mainly because I don’t know enough about it. Would be really interested in the views of those that do AND can put aside party politics
Good luck with that. These debates are often frequented by Polidroids. I don't know much about NHS England and what it has done. So I just have to read it as news without a view.
 


The Clamp

Well-known member
Jan 11, 2016
26,854
West is BEST
Didn’t NHS England basically facilitate moving all the systems over to phone appointments, getting rid of GP’s and replacing them with “associates”, crippling the NHS dentist system etc? All the time giving the senior back office boys hefty pay rises for less and less work?

That’s my over-view anyway. Good riddance.
 






Han Solo

Well-known member
May 25, 2024
3,922
Big changes coming....


Binning thousands of Civil Servants and slashing welfare.

I thought the tories lost the last election?
Its very difficult to find a better way of gaining popularity than cutting support from the poor, as their benefits are perceived to be ruining any country. That has been and always will be be majority opinion, as humans leans towards trusting rich, attractive people and wouldn't dream that it is actually the richest who empty the pockets of our societies.

Attacking the poor is always a good populist move. Workers may hate the billionaires but never more than they hate the poor.
 


abc

Well-known member
Jan 6, 2007
1,537
Its very difficult to find a better way of gaining popularity than cutting support from the poor, as their benefits are perceived to be ruining any country. That has been and always will be be majority opinion, as humans leans towards trusting rich, attractive people and wouldn't dream that it is actually the richest who empty the pockets of our societies.

Attacking the poor is always a good populist move. Workers may hate the billionaires but never more than they hate the poor.

Not sure I agree. I think it is popular to ‘attack’ those who are perceived to be abusing the benefit system. They are not perceived as being poor, probably the opposite. Having said that, the definition of ‘poor’ varies.

To me this is not being able to feed, house and clothe your family properly or to afford heat in the winter. Some consider themselves poor if they can only take one foreign holiday per year, can only afford sky but not TNT etc etc

I think there will be real anger if the cuts hit people with disabilities and special needs though, as is being suggested in the media.

I think Labour are right to tackle this issue but HOW they do it will be the make or break
 




Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
26,467
Sussex by the Sea
The UK economy shrank by 0.1% in January, according to the latest official figures.

A slowdown in manufacturing was one of the main reasons for the dip, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

The performance was weaker than expected, with most economists having predicted the economy to have grown in the month.
 


abc

Well-known member
Jan 6, 2007
1,537
The UK economy shrank by 0.1% in January, according to the latest official figures.

A slowdown in manufacturing was one of the main reasons for the dip, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

The performance was weaker than expected, with most economists having predicted the economy to have grown in the month.
Unfortunately, if you talk down the economy from your first day in government and then deliver an anti growth budget you will not get growth.
 


Mo Gosfield

Well-known member
Aug 11, 2010
6,394
The UK economy shrank by 0.1% in January, according to the latest official figures.

A slowdown in manufacturing was one of the main reasons for the dip, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

The performance was weaker than expected, with most economists having predicted the economy to have grown in the month.
January is traditionally a poor month for business. A lot of people get paid before Xmas and then have to wait until the end of January for their next pay. Spending drops as money gets tighter.
Business has no incentive to push forward at present. Layer upon layer of taxation with no apparent relief. NI and Min Wage increases. The government are backing a strategy for growth but this will only come from the private sector. I applaud apparent cost cutting in key areas but you have to incentivise business.
Until the two big beasts of VAT and fuel duty are addressed we won't move forward. Governments are now so reliant on these two vast streams of revenue that they are reluctant to even discuss them. They are crippling us as a nation.
 




Hugo Rune

Well-known member
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Feb 23, 2012
24,495
Brighton
Not sure I agree. I think it is popular to ‘attack’ those who are perceived to be abusing the benefit system. They are not perceived as being poor, probably the opposite. Having said that, the definition of ‘poor’ varies.

To me this is not being able to feed, house and clothe your family properly or to afford heat in the winter. Some consider themselves poor if they can only take one foreign holiday per year, can only afford sky but not TNT etc etc

I think there will be real anger if the cuts hit people with disabilities and special needs though, as is being suggested in the media.

I think Labour are right to tackle this issue but HOW they do it will be the make or break
I agree with this.

But it’s critical to do it in the right way and not have your MPs weaponising it like the last government did. There needs to be compassion and understanding when tackling this issue.

My big caveat is that the Government should be focusing on tax dodging by the super rich as this is where they’ll find more money and fairness and I hope the work done on the benefit system does not in anyway shadow what they are doing there.

Difficult and unpopular decisions are needed such as increasing inheritance tax on farmers (plugging a tax loophole that had seen investment funds buy thousands of acres of farmland to avoid tax payments) and removing the winter fuel allowance that has seen millions of wealthy pensioners lose the £300 or so they did not need. However, those decisions need more planning, more spin and more thought as in each of the cases above, there were perceived victims. For example, Farmers are not making enough money for what they do, we all know that. They needed to be given something such as revenue from a supermarket profit tax or protected minimum prices for their produce in return for increasing their tax burden. There was a lot more the government could have done with the removal of the winter fuel payment such as increasing the level payment or the level at which payment it received. I hope they iron out these sorts of mistakes going forward and make sure their policies are a little fairer.
 


SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
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Jan 25, 2025
444
But it’s Reeves and the Treasury making these decisions. Showing compassion would require them to look up from their spreadsheets for a few minutes.

I think the treasury is one the institutions most needing some kind of reform in this country.
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2004
10,464
saaf of the water
No that’s roughly how many people work for NHS England.

The combined total of NHS England and the Dept of Health is about 19,000 which will be cut by 50%.
It's amazing how quiet the unions have been over this.

There will be a LOT of people losing their jobs.

Same in the Civil Service (in fact a lot more)

I thought the tories lost the election.
 




Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
18,314
Fiveways
It's amazing how quiet the unions have been over this.

There will be a LOT of people losing their jobs.

Same in the Civil Service (in fact a lot more)

I thought the tories lost the election.
I've got no problem with Labour (or the left in general) extracting itself away from the association/infatuation with bureaucracy. This doesn't mean that it should fully sever that link (we'll see how such severing gets on in the US, and have done here via eg Grenfell), but there ought to be the kind of pragmatic reconsideration of all modes of bureaucracy, and the culling of NHS England (the only survivor of Lansley's dreadful reform) is in line with this
 


Rdodge30

Well-known member
Dec 30, 2022
1,090
But it’s Reeves and the Treasury making these decisions. Showing compassion would require them to look up from their spreadsheets for a few minutes.

I think the treasury is one the institutions most needing some kind of reform in this country.


Possibly it’s Tony Blair the de facto Leader of the Party (country?) He’s massively into a decade of electrification, off shore wind farms and solar on farmland… if any becomes available 🤔….He’s a great believer in AI and replacing the workforce …and he will push through digital ID cards this parliament I would imagine
 


Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
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Jul 16, 2003
58,942
hassocks
It's amazing how quiet the unions have been over this.

There will be a LOT of people losing their jobs.

Same in the Civil Service (in fact a lot more)

I thought the tories lost the election.
Heard a union bod on the radio yesterday and he supported the changes

It's a hard thing to sell to the nation that the NHS doesn't need a reform, picking their battles
 


levs

Active member
Jul 10, 2017
226
Its very difficult to find a better way of gaining popularity than cutting support from the poor, as their benefits are perceived to be ruining any country. That has been and always will be be majority opinion, as humans leans towards trusting rich, attractive people and wouldn't dream that it is actually the richest who empty the pockets of our societies.

Attacking the poor is always a good populist move. Workers may hate the billionaires but never more than they hate the poor.
Stick to football
 






Giraffe

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Helpful Moderator
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Aug 8, 2005
27,598
I admire their stance on the NHS, something has to change, why not try this. Just hope they can follow through on it and make it more efficient. It's a massive beast and managing it is a huge challenge.
 


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