[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

[Bry Nylon]

Glad to see the Loony Left are not yet extinct.
Competition in a death-race to the bottom with team Badenough.

I bumped into the delightful Kemi today. Next time I do so, I shall be sure to pass on your best wishes

 

[London Irish]

So you’re saying a huge part of the Labour Party is directly responsible for Caplin’s alleged actions? You’re so blinded by hatred of the “impure” that this is where you’ve gone?

Caplin has been the main fixer in Brighton politics for many years - he was the main organiser for selecting all the recent council candidates (including those two clowns who didn’t live anywhere near Brighton) and he was the person who chose the current council leader from that hack bunch. Do I blame the Labour Right for putting someone like him in such a position of influence? Let me ask you - you think it reflects well on them?

 

[e77]

40% in 2017 buddy and destroyed May’s parliamentary majority. You get big numbers like that when you offer ordinary people hope

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[London Irish]

Further, it’s not an isolated issue for the Labour Right. The main issue of course you have to ask them is why Peter Mandelson’s friendship with the world’s most notorious abuser (post conviction) is not disqualifying for him having huge ongoing influence over their faction and getting endless jobs from them.

And then this has happened below. How many “unfortunate coincidences” are going to happen to them before we can start making a few judgements about them?

 

[London Irish]

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Are you the last person in Britain who thinks Starmer is “winning”. Have you seen the poll plunge, read any news lately?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Reeves budget was from a child the worst budget in living memory and for growth ? Lets smash business the people who actually get growth and give big pay rises to the cival servants. I am actually lost for words and this country will be in a huge recession early next year and all year we will hit them with massive tax rises and go for growth a great plan Rach

 

[A1X]

Reeves budget was from a child the worst budget in living memory

Was it really? Really? Was it though? Really?

 

[luge]

Reeves budget was from a child the worst budget in living memory and for growth ? Lets smash business the people who actually get growth and give big pay rises to the cival servants. I am actually lost for words and this country will be in a huge recession early next year and all year we will hit them with massive tax rises and go for growth a great plan Rach

it wasnt a great budget - but Liz Truss/Kwasi Kwarteng was not a brilliant one either.

In reality - the economic problems are not of labour's doing. they have been in power for 6 months. It is certainly more of a tory influence - given they were in power for 14 years.

Labour's issue now is that they are doing more of the same. A 1p rise in NI on companies is silly - because it should be on the worker - but it is 1p - not a massive tax rise.

But in reality we are seeing the problems of the last 40-50 years of economic policy from all governments in major western economies come to fruition - hence the rise of the extremist parties.

A far bigger debate this where both left and right will have very valid and correct points.

Fundamentally we al expect too much from too little put in. The state does not work well and is clunky and wasteful. Many big companies are too big to fail - so will get bailed out by governmnets, but when they are doing well, they keep the profits. We are all asking for too much stuff that never used to exist 30+ years ago.

I'm very bored of the labour vs tory debate. Governments are shit at growth unless they print money like they do in the US, and dont give a f*** about the debt pile.

 

[e77]

Are you the last person in Britain who thinks Starmer is “winning”. Have you seen the poll plunge, read any news lately?

He won a General Election and Jeremy Corbyn didn't.

 

[e77]

it wasnt a great budget - but Liz Truss/Kwasi Kwarteng was not a brilliant one either.

In reality - the economic problems are not of labour's doing. they have been in power for 6 months. It is certainly more of a tory influence - given they were in power for 14 years.

Labour's issue now is that they are doing more of the same. A 1p rise in NI on companies is silly - because it should be on the worker - but it is 1p - not a massive tax rise.

But in reality we are seeing the problems of the last 40-50 years of economic policy from all governments in major western economies come to fruition - hence the rise of the extremist parties.

A far bigger debate this where both left and right will have very valid and correct points.

Fundamentally we al expect too much from too little put in. The state does not work well and is clunky and wasteful. Many big companies are too big to fail - so will get bailed out by governmnets, but when they are doing well, they keep the profits. We are all asking for too much stuff that never used to exist 30+ years ago.

I'm very bored of the labour vs tory debate. Governments are shit at growth unless they print money like they do in the US, and dont give a f*** about the debt pile.

Problem is a lot of people don't draw a line between taxation and government spending. To give the example of WASPI women, it would have cost £10.5 billion to compensate them. For all the cries to repay them, that money would have either have had to come through new taxes, cutting from other areas or increased borrowing. None of which is desirable.

(Note I do acknowledge that Labour politicians shouldn't have said they were going to compensate them when in opposition as much as Conservative politicians really can't moan as they did nothing about it when in power).

 

[dsr-burnley]

Labour's issue now is that they are doing more of the same. A 1p rise in NI on companies is silly - because it should be on the worker - but it is 1p - not a massive tax rise.

The big hit isn't just the 1.2% increase, it's the flat rate increase of £615 per employee because of the reduction in the threshold at which it starts.

 

[e77]

Further, it’s not an isolated issue for the Labour Right. The main issue of course you have to ask them is why Peter Mandelson’s friendship with the world’s most notorious abuser (post conviction) is not disqualifying for him having huge ongoing influence over their faction and getting endless jobs from them.

And then this has happened below. How many “unfortunate coincidences” are going to happen to them before we can start making a few judgements about them?

Are you accusing the centre left of the Labour Party of all being pedophiles or concealing pedophiles?

 

[London Irish]

He won a General Election and Jeremy Corbyn didn't.

And again you’re dodging the question of how that’s working out for Starmer.

He won because he stood for nothing so at the time didn’t offend anyone. Now people have figured that out, everyone hates him apart from a few briefcase nerds.

Corbyn stood for something so of course all those who want nothing to ever change in this country went into overdrive to stop him. I guess you must love how shit the country has been for ages and how nothing is going to change in that for the foreseeable - because that’s Starmer

 

[London Irish]

Are you accusing the centre left of the Labour Party of all being pedophiles or concealing pedophiles?

What are you talking about? Read my words and stop trying to be my personal scriptwriter. I’m accusing the Labour Right (who the hell are the centre left) of tolerating Mandelson’s dodgy connections with Epstein and having a very weird incidence of dodgy people in their ranks

 

[London Irish]

I regret to inform the Labour briefcases that not all newly elected politicians tank like Starmer. He’s another leader who actually stands for something and people like that

 

[pocketseagull]

‘Mainlined into UK’s veins’: Labour announces huge public rollout of AI

Plans to make UK world leader in AI sector include opening access to NHS and other public data

www.theguardian.com

seems bad. the amount of money being poured into AI isn't altruistic or utopian, it's about eliminating jobs and increasing profits. sad to see Labour championing this.

 

[London Irish]

Problem is a lot of people don't draw a line between taxation and government spending. To give the example of WASPI women, it would have cost £10.5 billion to compensate them. For all the cries to repay them, that money would have either have had to come through new taxes, cutting from other areas or increased borrowing. None of which is desirable.

(Note I do acknowledge that Labour politicians shouldn't have said they were going to compensate them when in opposition as much as Conservative politicians really can't moan as they did nothing about it when in power).

Just say you have no idea of how to do anything at all in government and be done with it - as Reeves is now acknowledging with tonight’s flailing around and “depression”