[Albion] Appalling Quality All Round - Dreadful

[London Irish]

It was a terrible game, just as the West Ham game was. All these teams putting in relegation performances with Watford only able to at least point to better recent performances

 

[7oaksgull]

We didn't play great but still got the draw, that's a positive sign if you choose to look at things positively. Surely?

First half we didn't click and looked very shaky at the back. 2nd half we were much better. Played with more intensity, kept being able to win the ball back through our pressing, linked up a few times with nice attacking moves and generally dominated the whole of that half.

The biggest negative from that game for me is how our fans are now turning into those whingey, precious Prem fans who won't accept anything less than a win and a superb performance otherwise everyone is shite, the manager must go, the board have seriously cocked up and our fan base is being robbed.
What's happened to us? This is Prem football, we're a small club by Prem levels so if you want to sack a manger by assuming the next bloke who comes in is just going to turn all these draws into wins, then you're unfortunately getting as deluded as the TV pundits who talk football as if a footballing dilemma is actually a world crisis.

We've got a manager who wants to entertain us with good football but yet it seem our fans just want 3 points through the ugly stuff we did last year which everyone was complaining about . The style of football we're playing could take us places if/when it all comes together, but yet I hear people already wanting us to bring back CH who would without doubt have us playing just like the way the opposition did yesterday. Brilliant, how ambitious and monies-worth will that be staying up with that style of football knowing we've then got to endure it all over agin next season and so on until we finally get relegated which is the inevitable when teams set up to play safe every season.

The club is trying to be more positive and the fans have decided to become more negative. It's a joke.

One point gained. one lost in the last four matches, won as many as arsenal this season plus we're able to change things around when the going gets tough like we have in the last 2 matches . Ridiculous we're already starting to cry about this sort of form from a team like us. Give it a few more seasons and people will be complaining how we're not going anywhere when we're finishing comfortably mid-table still in the top flight

First time I'm starting to miss the Withdean.

Exactly this

 

[Sheebo]

We didn't play great but still got the draw, that's a positive sign if you choose to look at things positively. Surely?

First half we didn't click and looked very shaky at the back. 2nd half we were much better. Played with more intensity, kept being able to win the ball back through our pressing, linked up a few times with nice attacking moves and generally dominated the whole of that half.

The biggest negative from that game for me is how our fans are now turning into those whingey, precious Prem fans who won't accept anything less than a win and a superb performance otherwise everyone is shite, the manager must go, the board have seriously cocked up and our fan base is being robbed.
What's happened to us? This is Prem football, we're a small club by Prem levels so if you want to sack a manger by assuming the next bloke who comes in is just going to turn all these draws into wins, then you're unfortunately getting as deluded as the TV pundits who talk football as if a footballing dilemma is actually a world crisis.

We've got a manager who wants to entertain us with good football but yet it seem our fans just want 3 points through the ugly stuff we did last year which everyone was complaining about . The style of football we're playing could take us places if/when it all comes together, but yet I hear people already wanting us to bring back CH who would without doubt have us playing just like the way the opposition did yesterday. Brilliant, how ambitious and monies-worth will that be staying up with that style of football knowing we've then got to endure it all over agin next season and so on until we finally get relegated which is the inevitable when teams set up to play safe every season.

The club is trying to be more positive and the fans have decided to become more negative. It's a joke.

One point gained. one lost in the last four matches, won as many as arsenal this season plus we're able to change things around when the going gets tough like we have in the last 2 matches . Ridiculous we're already starting to cry about this sort of form from a team like us. Give it a few more seasons and people will be complaining how we're not going anywhere when we're finishing comfortably mid-table still in the top flight

First time I'm starting to miss the Withdean.

Agree re the moaners - unfortunately their vocal, although a minority. The atmosphere was good yesterday and we got behind the lads well. It’s hard for everyone and frustrating at the mo but we have to get behind the team and realise they need confidence!

 

[Stat Brother]

It's a good job you don't work in a planning capacity in a corporate organisation then.

Of course there are always long term strategic goals but the tactics used to get there inevitably change from time to time. People join, people leave, legislation changes, funding changes and you adjust your target model and how you get there accordingly.

Relegation won't be in TB's 5 year plan though there will, of coursework, be a contingency plan in place, just in case it does happen,

I genuinely can't see the point you are making.
Yes people join and people leave.

TB has spent many millions of pounds over the last 6 months getting the people in he wanted.

We are 6 (six) months into his vision.
You are talking as if it's run its course already.

Tony wouldn't of bought top 10 into the club if he didn't believe in who he's put in place.

 

[Icy Gull]

We didn't play great but still got the draw, that's a positive sign if you choose to look at things positively. Surely?

First half we didn't click and looked very shaky at the back. 2nd half we were much better. Played with more intensity, kept being able to win the ball back through our pressing, linked up a few times with nice attacking moves and generally dominated the whole of that half.

The biggest negative from that game for me is how our fans are now turning into those whingey, precious Prem fans who won't accept anything less than a win and a superb performance otherwise everyone is shite, the manager must go, the board have seriously cocked up and our fan base is being robbed.
What's happened to us? This is Prem football, we're a small club by Prem levels so if you want to sack a manger by assuming the next bloke who comes in is just going to turn all these draws into wins, then you're unfortunately getting as deluded as the TV pundits who talk football as if a footballing dilemma is actually a world crisis.

We've got a manager who wants to entertain us with good football but yet it seem our fans just want 3 points through the ugly stuff we did last year which everyone was complaining about . The style of football we're playing could take us places if/when it all comes together, but yet I hear people already wanting us to bring back CH who would without doubt have us playing just like the way the opposition did yesterday. Brilliant, how ambitious and monies-worth will that be staying up with that style of football knowing we've then got to endure it all over agin next season and so on until we finally get relegated which is the inevitable when teams set up to play safe every season.

The club is trying to be more positive and the fans have decided to become more negative. It's a joke.

One point gained. one lost in the last four matches, won as many as arsenal this season plus we're able to change things around when the going gets tough like we have in the last 2 matches . Ridiculous we're already starting to cry about this sort of form from a team like us. Give it a few more seasons and people will be complaining how we're not going anywhere when we're finishing comfortably mid-table still in the top flight

First time I'm starting to miss the Withdean.

Nail on head, as I said earlier too many fans have become very entitled recently. It’s not a good thing

 

[Megazone]

Agree re the moaners - unfortunately their vocal, although a minority. The atmosphere was good yesterday and we got behind the lads well. It’s hard for everyone and frustrating at the mo but we have to get behind the team and realise they need confidence!

agreed. There was a big lift in the atmosphere 2nd half which i did feel had an influence on the teams pressing and desire to win back the ball. I think it helps if we don't have these deluded expectations of playing like Barcelona to prevent the whines every time we cock up. I had one guy sat next to me yesterday who only made noise when it came to the negative stuff, plus he had a very painful tone of voice for my ear when he went into screaming mode (not his fault). Every miss-placed pass made him whine as if we're chasing the title.

I don't know about others but I'm struggling with this sort of stuff considering how fresh we are to this standard still, and what a dream this still is watching us play Prem football, but suddenly we're a club who deserve no less?

This is arguably the best we've ever done in our history. Stop bloody whinging FFS and get behind the club.

 

[Biscuit]

I think fans have every right to air their frustrations tbh.

Our last five games have been against Watford, WHU, Villa, Bmuff and Everton. Not just poor teams but also out of form teams. We've won none of them. Not a single win.

You can hide behind every statistic you like, that isn't good enough.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I genuinely can't see the point you are making.
Yes people join and people leave.

TB has spent many millions of pounds over the last 6 months getting the people in he wanted.

We are 6 (six) months into his vision.
You are talking as if it's run its course already.

Tony wouldn't of bought top 10 into the club if he didn't believe in who he's put in place.

The bolded part is why you don't understand. Because you've answered a point you had in your head rather than ANYTHING I've actually typed (not for the first time, in fact it's your entire shtick).

The vision Tony has - to get the club in to the top 10, to do it by developing the players we are bringing in to the academy are entirely laudable and I support them 100%.

What I am saying is that we are very much not doing that at the moment. Back to Duffy at the back, Murray at the front and turgid, dire, slow football. Connolly forgotten, Alzate, by far our best player for five minutes before he was shoved at right back to cover up for the liability we had in that postiion, on the margins. White at Leeds.

My suppostion, proposal, theory, call it what you will is that one of the main actors targetted with delivering that vision is inadvertently not doing so by treading on the toes of whoever is manager / head coach (that's the Ashworth part).

My observation is that this is a shit poor league that rips off its fans at every turn and in every club. Feel free to disagree but it is one of the reasons I am frustrated. Because you look at the likes of Watford, Norwich, Villa, West Ham and even Arsenal and you see average, average, average with the quality of defending at a real low. So, set against that the vision should be MORE achievable, not less.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

agreed. There was a big lift in the atmosphere 2nd half which i did feel had an influence on the teams pressing and desire to win back the ball. I think it helps if we don't have these deluded expectations of playing like Barcelona to prevent the whines every time we cock up. I had one guy sat next to me yesterday who only made noise when it came to the negative stuff, plus he had a very painful tone of voice for my ear when he went into screaming mode (not his fault). Every miss-placed pass made him whine as if we're chasing the title.

I don't know about others but I'm struggling with this sort of stuff considering how fresh we are to this standard still, and what a dream this still is watching us play Prem football. Suddenly we're a club who deserve no less?

This is arguably the best we've ever done in our history. Stop bloody whinging FFS and get behind the club.

To be fair there was a lot of frustration in the first half even from the people around me who are generally accepting of the situation we are in.
This is not the first time we have found ourselves behind to the only shot on target from the opposition.

Giving up big chances to the opposition has become too common an occurrence.
And yesterday a good chunk of the home support were frustrated that we were making it difficult for ourselves against fellow strugglers.

This is not entitlement, just a very common reaction to a substandard performance at a critical time.


Personally I felt the team boosted the fan's performance in the second half and not the other way around.
I remain impressed that Potter seems to be able to get a positive reaction and change things for the better mid-game.

 

[Megazone]

I think fans have every right to air their frustrations tbh.

Our last five games have been against Watford, WHU, Villa, Bmuff and Everton. Not just poor teams but also out of form teams. We've won none of them. Not a single win.

You can hide behind every statistic you like, that isn't good enough.

That's fair enough but at the same time no one should be shocked we haven't been able to beat any of these teams either.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

In the stadium on the night, my assessment was:
Watford bossed the game from about 10 minutes in up to 60 minutes, we were hopeless in that period - slow of mind and deeds, you name it, reminiscent of CH's 2019 months.

The difference now, we belatedly sprung into life, Alzate and Jahanbakhsh driving us forward, cocky Watford began to fall apart.

So it definitely wasn't at the depths of Cardiff, Stains or Bmuff outclassing us.


A lot of the despondency is simply that winnable games are running out. That was our last home match against a bottom 6 team.

There's this continual fallacy on here that games against teams down the bottom are the easy ones in the second half of the season. They're anything but, it's called a relegation battle for a reason. They are hard games which always descend into a battle, they're rarely pretty which I suppose is what the OP is getting at in his over the top way. The fact we've come through this period unscathed is something to hold to. Now we move on to play every team from 8th to 14th, along with 4 of the top 7 and the bottom club.

Of course its not easy, but I think a lot of the despondency is just because that's the way people are.

 

[Icy Gull]

In amongst all the gloom and comparisons with last season does anyone know how many games we went behind in last season that we didn’t lose?

 

[Machiavelli]

We didn't play great but still got the draw, that's a positive sign if you choose to look at things positively. Surely?

First half we didn't click and looked very shaky at the back. 2nd half we were much better. Played with more intensity, kept being able to win the ball back through our pressing, linked up a few times with nice attacking moves and generally dominated the whole of that half.

The biggest negative from that game for me is how our fans are now turning into those whingey, precious Prem fans who won't accept anything less than a win and a superb performance otherwise everyone is shite, the manager must go, the board have seriously cocked up and our fan base is being robbed.
What's happened to us? This is Prem football, we're a small club by Prem levels so if you want to sack a manger by assuming the next bloke who comes in is just going to turn all these draws into wins, then you're unfortunately getting as deluded as the TV pundits who talk football as if a footballing dilemma is actually a world crisis.

We've got a manager who wants to entertain us with good football but yet it seem our fans just want 3 points through the ugly stuff we did last year which everyone was complaining about . The style of football we're playing could take us places if/when it all comes together, but yet I hear people already wanting us to bring back CH who would without doubt have us playing just like the way the opposition did yesterday. Brilliant, how ambitious and monies-worth will that be staying up with that style of football knowing we've then got to endure it all over agin next season and so on until we finally get relegated which is the inevitable when teams set up to play safe every season.

The club is trying to be more positive and the fans have decided to become more negative. It's a joke.

One point gained. one lost in the last four matches, won as many as arsenal this season plus we're able to change things around when the going gets tough like we have in the last 2 matches . Ridiculous we're already starting to cry about this sort of form from a team like us. Give it a few more seasons and people will be complaining how we're not going anywhere when we're finishing comfortably mid-table still in the top flight

First time I'm starting to miss the Withdean.

Amen to this.

 

[Stat Brother]

The bolded part is why you don't understand. Because you've answered a point you had in your head rather than ANYTHING I've actually typed (not for the first time, in fact it's your entire shtick).

The vision Tony has - to get the club in to the top 10, to do it by developing the players we are bringing in to the academy are entirely laudable and I support them 100%.

What I am saying is that we are very much not doing that at the moment. Back to Duffy at the back, Murray at the front and turgid, dire, slow football. Connolly forgotten, Alzate, by far our best player for five minutes before he was shoved at right back to cover up for the liability we had in that postiion, on the margins. White at Leeds.

My suppostion, proposal, theory, call it what you will is that one of the main actors targetted with delivering that vision is inadvertently not doing so by treading on the toes of whoever is manager / head coach (that's the Ashworth part).

My observation is that this is a shit poor league that rips off its fans at every turn and in every club. Feel free to disagree but it is one of the reasons I am frustrated. Because you look at the likes of Watford, Norwich, Villa, West Ham and even Arsenal and you see average, average, average with the quality of defending at a real low. So, set against that the vision should be MORE achievable, not less.

There's a lot to agree with but my fundamental point still stands, and that's the bit I'm struggling with.

We're at the start of the process, you are talking as if it's been on going for X years and X transfer windows.

They play Deaney we play Duffy.

Naturally you don't have to get me started on Murray, I think the club have been too penny pinching and hope it doesn't blow up in its face.

If in the Premier League next season's team will look even younger (by virtue of the fact it couldn't get any slower) considerably quicker and even cheaper.

 

[CaptainDaveUK]

I’ve watched Brighton play every season since the early eighties. When I moved to Liverpool in 1988 I continued to go to games in the NW with the occasional home fixture. The performances from around 1995 to 2000 were truly awful but I carried on going and supporting my team. Yesterday I watched the game with my best mate who adopted Brighton as his team when I took him to Chester away in about 2001. All our kids were born in Liverpool so it would have been quite justifiable for us to switch to the reds but guess what, my 12 year old was in The Rose pub yesterday, inner city Liverpool, in his full Brighton home kit with DUNK on the back, shouting for a pen and going crazy when we scored. The whole pub, and I mean a proper rammed inner city Liverpool pub of 200+ were all rooting for the Albion yesterday, because they could see a little group of five Albion fans passionately cheering on their team through the bad times and the good. Several came over and shook our hands and told us stories of Eastbourne pier, the lanes in Brighton, even one lad had a video on his phone of Duffy at a mate’s stag do to show us. Could my lad have been stood on the Kop for the last few years singing ‘You’ll never walk alone’, yes of course he could, but he hasn’t and we haven’t because guess what, we actually SUPPORT THE ALBION. UTA. GOSBTS.

 

[Weststander]

There's this continual fallacy on here that games against teams down the bottom are the easy ones in the second half of the season. They're anything but, it's called a relegation battle for a reason. They are hard games which always descend into a battle, they're rarely pretty which I suppose is what the OP is getting at in his over the top way. The fact we've come through this period unscathed is something to hold to. Now we move on to play every team from 8th to 14th, along with 4 of the top 7 and the bottom club.

Of course its not easy, but I think a lot of the despondency is just because that's the way people are.

I’d agree with the last bit - there’s a spectrum of glass half full, to glass half empty personalities, with many in between.

No one here, unless they’re a troll furtively supporting another club, wishes the team and club ill.

After 11 matches without a win, many (like you?) appear to feel that PL wins are definitely around the corner, there are several squads/first teams inferior to us and that we’re staying up.

Many others are very concerned. P’d off with Potter, or, with parts of the squad he has to work with.

No one is right or wrong, or a superior or inferior supporter. Only time will tell, by April/May all will be revealed.


I’d add one thing. Bloom won’t be happy with our current league predicament. Last Feb/MarApr we all assumed that he was calmly supportive of CH and our position, the opposite of a NSC bedwetter. We couldn’t have been more wrong .... the playing side of the club was putting his PL dream and £300m investment in jeopardy. A year on, it’s on a knife edge yet again.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I’d agree with the last bit - there’s a spectrum of glass half full, to glass half empty personalities, with many in between.

No one here, unless they’re a troll furtively supporting another club, wishes the team and club ill.

After 11 matches without a win, many (like you?) appear to feel that PL wins are definitely around the corner, there are several squads/first teams inferior to us and that we’re staying up.

Many others are very concerned. P’d off with Potter, or, with parts of the squad he has to work with.

No one is right or wrong, or a superior or inferior supporter. Only time will tell, by April/May all will be revealed.


I’d add one thing. Bloom won’t be happy with our current league predicament. Last Feb/MarApr we all assumed that he was calmly supportive of CH and our position, the opposite of a NSC bedwetter. We couldn’t have been more wrong .... the playing side of the club was putting his PL dream and £300m investment in jeopardy. A year on, it’s on a knife edge yet again.

All so true.

If we critically analyse the money spent and the quality of players we've brought in since promotion, generally I'd feel pretty p!ssed off if I was Bloom.

Ryan, Propper...........

Perhaps Bernardo, Gross in year 1 then I'm struggling....... Maupay, Trossard if I'm being very generous (but I have my doubts with both).

 

[essbee1]

I’ve watched Brighton play every season since the early eighties. When I moved to Liverpool in 1988 I continued to go to games in the NW with the occasional home fixture. The performances from around 1995 to 2000 were truly awful but I carried on going and supporting my team. Yesterday I watched the game with my best mate who adopted Brighton as his team when I took him to Chester away in about 2001. All our kids were born in Liverpool so it would have been quite justifiable for us to switch to the reds but guess what, my 12 year old was in The Rose pub yesterday, inner city Liverpool, in his full Brighton home kit with DUNK on the back, shouting for a pen and going crazy when we scored. The whole pub, and I mean a proper rammed inner city Liverpool pub of 200+ were all rooting for the Albion yesterday, because they could see a little group of five Albion fans passionately cheering on their team through the bad times and the good. Several came over and shook our hands and told us stories of Eastbourne pier, the lanes in Brighton, even one lad had a video on his phone of Duffy at a mate’s stag do to show us. Could my lad have been stood on the Kop for the last few years singing ‘You’ll never walk alone’, yes of course he could, but he hasn’t and we haven’t because guess what, we actually SUPPORT THE ALBION. UTA. GOSBTS.

Nice story and good on you all for this. It doesn't surprise me that Liverpool people supported us yesterday for the reasons you point out. It is a great city and its people are bloody nice.

 

[MikeySmall]

I think fans have every right to air their frustrations tbh.

Our last five games have been against Watford, WHU, Villa, Bmuff and Everton. Not just poor teams but also out of form teams. We've won none of them. Not a single win.

You can hide behind every statistic you like, that isn't good enough.

Last 10 games, Everton 3rd in the form table , Watford 7th. Not out of form at all.

 

[CaptainDaveUK]

Bloom will be supporting Potter because he knows how to crunch numbers, so will realise we are in many ways, in the best place we’ve ever been as a club. Can’t wait for us to beat Palace, who are in a false position btw, even if to just stop the plastic Albion fans who love to frequent NSC when we’ve had a few disappointing results.
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