[Albion] Appalling Quality All Round - Dreadful

[Stat Brother]

Probably, but not at CP's more than double our top wages.

Which then leads to Dunk and others automatically doubling their wages .... going by those on here ITK on our contracts.

A dilemma for TB/PB.

Oh absolutely.

But nevertheless they've had the best part of 15 transfer windows to make it work and so far have Ulloa and Maupay to show for it.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Stains and Palace throw money at it, Palace only easing off now much to their fans fury on forums. Palace's top weekly wages are astonishing, at Everton/Spuds levels.
Gravity Whore £130,000 pw
Meyer £120,000 pw
Barndoor £120,000 pw
Sakho £100,000 pw

Palace spent heavily on transfer fees on 'names' in the January that Allardyce turned the car crash season around. In addition they Palace take quality players on loan such as Batshuayi who by all accounts was on £160,000 per week!

Out of control, they're now desperately reining it in:
https://www.90min.com/posts/6343474-crystal-palace-ready-to-make-massive-wage-cuts-by-offloading-high-earning-duo

Ings and Bertrand were stars lured with good wages. Redmond's played for England and is a quality winger. Without those 3 they'd have been relegated last season and bottom 2 this.

I'm not saying Bloom should follow their methods.

I know. But Bloom will HAVE to follow their methods if Brighton are to be the top-ten club he is aiming for. You cannot be that club without spending huge amounts, you don't stay there on a bunch of players signed relatively cheaply from abroad or acquired for the youth team. But what that scouting and recruitment network gets you is a platform to build from, a base to recover from if it goes wrong, and a lot of income in the bank. And the right time to make that heavy spending is when that platform is built, not from a position of weakness. So I think that Southampton and Leicester are the model we are working to. Of course Leicester struck gold in that their cheap imports happened to be Mahrez and Kante, and their young recruit turned into Jamie Vardy, and have become a top-ten side incredibly quickly. If either of these teams happened to get relegated you would be astonished if they didn't come straight back. Saints can spend on Ings and Redmond because they have earned the right to and know that its not the be all and end all for the club.

So there is a huge difference Stains and Palace in my opinion. Palace are spending on their first team, and it achieves the goal. Since they came up they have finished 11th, 10th, 15th, 14th, 11th, 12th, 41-49 points each time. All looks quite comfortable, but we know that in about four of those seasons they were struggling before late results got them mid-table. Is this the best they can be - and as we all think, what happens when they get relegated? We might be too harsh on them because they are rivals, but the likes of Wan-Bissaka seem more like exceptions than the rule.

I find myself becoming less and less worried about a relegation this season the more I think about it. I know that this time last year I would have been gutted, so disappointed to have to step off our premier league ride, but now I am so on board with the long-term vision that I could accept a setback like that for what it is. Maybe I'm a little blinded to the reality of what a relegation would feel like, but equally I still have complete confidence that it won't come to that.

 

[Weststander]

Come on, that is from April 2019 so, I think you need to find something else to prove your point, I am all for Palarse bashing but try harder......

Only 10 months ago. That's because April 2019 was the last occasion when they released company accounts (they file far later than any other PL club ... no one knows why). Giving rise to discussed and evaluations of their accounts.

Parish has no obligation to issue mid year statements for scrutiny.

Wait a few months and we'll see CPFC2010's 2018/19 payroll costs.

 

[blue-shifted]

Oh absolutely.

But nevertheless they've had the best part of 15 transfer windows to make it work and so far have Ulloa and Maupay to show for it.

And the "we can't get anyone so we'll just award Muzza another year" strategy can't continue for ever.

 

[Weststander]

I know. But Bloom will HAVE to follow their methods if Brighton are to be the top-ten club he is aiming for. You cannot be that club without spending huge amounts, you don't stay there on a bunch of players signed relatively cheaply from abroad or acquired for the youth team. But what that scouting and recruitment network gets you is a platform to build from, a base to recover from if it goes wrong, and a lot of income in the bank. And the right time to make that heavy spending is when that platform is built, not from a position of weakness. So I think that Southampton and Leicester are the model we are working to. Of course Leicester struck gold in that their cheap imports happened to be Mahrez and Kante, and their young recruit turned into Jamie Vardy, and have become a top-ten side incredibly quickly. If either of these teams happened to get relegated you would be astonished if they didn't come straight back. Saints can spend on Ings and Redmond because they have earned the right to and know that its not the be all and end all for the club.

So there is a huge difference Stains and Palace in my opinion. Palace are spending on their first team, and it achieves the goal. Since they came up they have finished 11th, 10th, 15th, 14th, 11th, 12th, 41-49 points each time. All looks quite comfortable, but we know that in about four of those seasons they were struggling before late results got them mid-table. Is this the best they can be - and as we all think, what happens when they get relegated? We might be too harsh on them because they are rivals, but the likes of Wan-Bissaka seem more like exceptions than the rule.

I find myself becoming less and less worried about a relegation this season the more I think about it. I know that this time last year I would have been gutted, so disappointed to have to step off our premier league ride, but now I am so on board with the long-term vision that I could accept a setback like that for what it is. Maybe I'm a little blinded to the reality of what a relegation would feel like, but equally I still have complete confidence that it won't come to that.

I wonder how Bloom can start signing strikers and game-changers on say £90,000 a week, when we're still losing money annually?

Perhaps there needs to be a thinning out of players on £40,000 to £60,000 per week?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I wonder how Bloom can start signing strikers and game-changers on say £90,000 a week, when we're still losing money annually?

Perhaps there needs to be a thinning out of players on £40,000 to £60,000 per week?

I expect we'll sell a few like both Saints and Leicester have done. Is there any other reason Saints income will be significantly higher than ours?

 

[rippleman]

Seems to me like you're looking for a scapegoat but many of the things you mention are down to the manager and the players themselves, unless you think DA is picking the team.

The fact of the matter is we still have a bottom half (bottom 6?) budget and the Premier League is an unforgiving place. Ashworth's remit certainly wasn't to transform the entire club in one year. This season has seen a complete overhaul in style and, unsurprisingly (to me at least), ups and downs.

So we have a bottom 6 budget but an aspiration to be a top 10 club.

So how is that going to work?

And I think Ashworth may well "transform the entire club in one year". Transform us into a club in the Championship.

Of course Ashworth isn't solely responsible but his arrival did coincide with our demise last season and ultimately the sacking of CH. And apart from some great stuff at the start of this season we have yet again descended into the mire. Three windows a la Ashworth have now passed by without us recruiting the players we so desparately need if we are going to come close to realising the "top 10" aspiration..

 

[rippleman]

and yet we've got the best goal difference in the bottom half, scored the joint 2nd most goals in the bottom half, and conceded the joint 3rd least goals.

It's not losing games which is our problem. It's turning draws into wins which we're not succeeding in at the moment. Last year it was a case of us being able to hang on to draws. Now it's a case of how we figure out how to use our dominance better which we're not doing at the moment. I think we really failed in not bringing in pace upfront. I'm starting to wonder if Jose upfront could be the solution?

But yeah, Potter out....

To turn draws into wins it usually helps if you can score goals. We can't.

We have an elderly legend, a young kid and a striker who has never previously played at this level and has now been benched.

We have not gone into the market to get a goalscorer in. And we binned off a talented striker after the summer window closed because....I'm not really sure. But if Potter decided to chop off his schnoze to spite his face........................

 

[Megazone]

To turn draws into wins it usually helps if you can score goals. We can't.

We have an elderly legend, a young kid and a striker who has never previously played at this level and has now been benched.

We have not gone into the market to get a goalscorer in. And we binned off a talented striker after the summer window closed because....I'm not really sure. But if Potter decided to chop off his schnoze to spite his face........................

aren't we the 11th highest scorers in the division?

 

[Weststander]

I expect we'll sell a few like both Saints and Leicester have done. Is there any other reason Saints income will be significantly higher than ours?

Albion income 2018/19:
Matchday £18.5m
Broadcasting £113.4m
Commercial £9.6m [The improved Amex sponsorship will affect later financial years]
Other £1.7m

Total £143m

Southampton income 2017/18:
Matchday £16.7m
Broadcasting £117.0m - they finished higher 2 seasons ago ... prize money
Commercial £13.3m
Other £1.0m

Total £148m

So very similar.

Their costs are higher giving an underlying loss of £35m compared to our £22m loss. But the sale of VVD brought them back into profit as a one off.

CPFC2010's loss was £36m and Bmuff's £11m.

The PL's a funny old business. Unless you're a Spurs or Liverpool, pre-player trading losses seem the norm. Liverpool are heading towards £200m of sponsorship/commercial income per annum for example.