Anyone care for some perspective?

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Defeat at home to an own goal in a game that could have gone either way.
An away draw and no goals but only one fit striker.
A drubbing only after keeper sent off. Still a shortage of fit strikers.
In the game and scoring at last but nailed by double sending off.

Background issues: Lack of striking options; possibly best player (McNulty) missing; masses of new faces; Glenn Murray buggering about.

Of course there are odd things too - like Gary Dicker not playing - and one point from 12 is a very, very poor return on four games. but it seems to me that there are some reasons (not excuses) or at least explanations for what has gone on.

Anyone care for some perspective? On NSC? Of course not - far better to eulogise or demonise - far simple than actually thinking about what has gone on.

 

[northstandsteve]

Positives
Dickinson, return of Dicker and others still settling in.
Trying to play a passing game more than last season.

Still a work in progress but how long will the board give Slade if results do not improve and crowds dip further.

 

[Andrew]

We've had 4 really shite games like your said. I doubt we will get relegated but I could be close finishing maybe 15th 16th or 17th

 

[wehatepalace]

A drubbing only after keeper sent off.

I don't agree with that, Smith is meant to be a more than adequate replacement, in fact a lot on here were calling for him to be No.1. If he is not deemed good enough to be 1st choice then why get rid of Sullivan ?

 

[Hungry Joe]

Anyone care for some perspective? On NSC? Of course not - far better to eulogise or demonise - far simple than actually thinking about what has gone on.

From that I take it you believe you're the only one providing such?

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

I don't agree with that, Smith is meant to be a more than adequate replacement, in fact a lot on here were calling for him to be No.1. If he is not deemed good enough to be 1st choice then why get rid of Sullivan ?

We went down to ten men and to totally rework the shape of the side at a time when we were 3-1 down (after the pen) and then forced to chase the game with one fit striker.

I wasn't suggesting it was losing Kuipers or playing Smith that is the problem I was just saying that losing the keeper (whilst conceding a penalty at a time when we were only 2-1 down) prompted the collapse.

 

[northstandsteve]

As a former Keeper i am happy with Smith, when the back 4 becomes more settled things will improve.

 

[upthealbion1970]

there are positives, but unfortunately way too many NSC'ers seem at their happiest when moaning. I was abused after Swindon last season for saying I believed we would stay up, and I believe just as strongly that we'll have top 10 finish this term. Plenty of games left in the season.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

From that I take it you believe you're the only one providing such?

No - but sometimes when you read NSC it does make you want to weep. Lots of other people are making the same point but it's hard to see through the blizzard of 16 year olds and short-sighted morons screaming for Slade to be sacked, Dickinson to be crucified, Dennis Wise to be made Prime Minister etc etc

 

[Husty]

I don't agree with that, Smith is meant to be a more than adequate replacement, in fact a lot on here were calling for him to be No.1. If he is not deemed good enough to be 1st choice then why get rid of Sullivan ?

Because sullivan didnt have the experience to truely challenge for number one, kuipers always brings out his best when he is fighting for his position, its tough for smith buts thats the way it is and unfortunately for smith he now has a dreadful goals conceeded record 9 in 2 games isnt pretty and doesnt really reflect him as a keeper, I thought he player quite well yesterday.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

Defeat at home to an own goal in a game that could have gone either way.
An away draw and no goals but only one fit striker.
A drubbing only after keeper sent off. Still a shortage of fit strikers.
In the game and scoring at last but nailed by double sending off.

Background issues: Lack of striking options; possibly best player (McNulty) missing; masses of new faces; Glenn Murray buggering about.

Of course there are odd things too - like Gary Dicker not playing - and one point from 12 is a very, very poor return on four games. but it seems to me that there are some reasons (not excuses) or at least explanations for what has gone on.

Anyone care for some perspective? On NSC? Of course not - far better to eulogise or demonise - far simple than actually thinking about what has gone on.

What part of Withdean did you watch from?

 

[Hungry Joe]

No - but sometimes when you read NSC it does make you want to weep. Lots of other people are making the same point but it's hard to see through the blizzard of 16 year olds and short-sighted morons screaming for Slade to be sacked, Dickinson to be crucified, Dennis Wise to be made Prime Minister etc etc

Can't disagree with that.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Let's get back to the purpose of this thread, which was to suggest that perspective is required.

We've played four, lost three, drawn one. It's only four games. Maybe we're getting our crap run out of the way early. When we won the Division Three title under Micky Adams we were crap until about the middle of September, and then one result turned it around.

After witnessing the dismal Walsall game and the one-off debacle at Huddersfield, both of which were awful in different ways, I saw enough yesterday to believe that the situation will right itself.

Dickinson worked his nuts off up front. Smith made several really good stops. Dicker was excellent when he came on, and I though Tunnicliffe showed he's a good prospect in central defence. For me, one of the keys is going to be getting a proper full-back in on the left, be it McNulty or Jake Wright, as that then allows us to drop either Elphick or Virgo, play Tunnicliffe with whichever is left, and Whing in his natural position on the right. The worst point yesterday came when Elphick, although he hadn't played that well, got sent off, leaving us with a choice of El Abd or Hawkins at centre half.

Finally, I may be alone here, but I still believe that if/when Craig Davies gets an opportunity, he's got the ability to prove people wrong.

What is the world coming to when people want a manager sacked after four games? We all want to win every game, but there are 91 other teams in the Premier League and Football League who all want the same, and logic dictates that they won't all get what they want.

A little faith is required here- if we're still dreadful come the end of September, say, it's a problem. After four games? I'd rather get the bad run out of the way now, let's just say that.

 

[Hungry Joe]

Let's get back to the purpose of this thread, which was to suggest that perspective is required.

We've played four, lost three, drawn one. It's only four games. Maybe we're getting our crap run out of the way early. When we won the Division Three title under Micky Adams we were crap until about the middle of September, and then one result turned it around.

After witnessing the dismal Walsall game and the one-off debacle at Huddersfield, both of which were awful in different ways, I saw enough yesterday to believe that the situation will right itself.

Dickinson worked his nuts off up front. Smith made several really good stops. Dicker was excellent when he came on, and I though Tunnicliffe showed he's a good prospect in central defence. For me, one of the keys is going to be getting a proper full-back in on the left, be it McNulty or Jake Wright, as that then allows us to drop either Elphick or Virgo, play Tunnicliffe with whichever is left, and Whing in his natural position on the right. The worst point yesterday came when Elphick, although he hadn't played that well, got sent off, leaving us with a choice of El Abd or Hawkins at centre half.

Finally, I may be alone here, but I still believe that if/when Craig Davies gets an opportunity, he's got the ability to prove people wrong.

What is the world coming to when people want a manager sacked after four games? We all want to win every game, but there are 91 other teams in the Premier League and Football League who all want the same, and logic dictates that they won't all get what they want.

A little faith is required here- if we're still dreadful come the end of September, say, it's a problem. After four games? I'd rather get the bad run out of the way now, let's just say that.

 

[wehatepalace]

We went down to ten men and to totally rework the shape of the side at a time when we were 3-1 down (after the pen) and then forced to chase the game with one fit striker.

I wasn't suggesting it was losing Kuipers or playing Smith that is the problem I was just saying that losing the keeper (whilst conceding a penalty at a time when we were only 2-1 down) prompted the collapse.

Oh ok, stick wrong end of !

 

[Lady Whistledown]

The thing that interested me yesterday was that, after going two men short, it suddenly seemed to dawn on the players that hitting hopeful balls up to Dickinson wasn't going to work, and they were forced to knock it around on the ground.

I appreciate that County were hardly breaking their balls to chase it down, given that they were winning and had a numerical advantage, but it was cheering to see that we actually could play football and get in behind a defence without aimlessly hoofing it. Despite playing with ten and then nine men, we actually deserved something out of that game and were maybe a bit unfortunate not to get it. How many saves did their (excellent) keeper make? I thought we were, in the main, the better side.

Hopefully the penny will drop with the players that they can pass it around with successful results. After Huddersfield, I felt we needed a bloody bomb under the whole team. After yesterday, I'm more inclined to think we just need a lucky break. Or two.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

We could also look at the context of last season, when we played both Huddersfield away and Stockport at home in the closing weeks.

Seems we have gone backwards.

 

[SittingbourneSeagull]

Let's get back to the purpose of this thread, which was to suggest that perspective is required.

We've played four, lost three, drawn one. It's only four games. Maybe we're getting our crap run out of the way early. When we won the Division Three title under Micky Adams we were crap until about the middle of September, and then one result turned it around.

After witnessing the dismal Walsall game and the one-off debacle at Huddersfield, both of which were awful in different ways, I saw enough yesterday to believe that the situation will right itself.

Dickinson worked his nuts off up front. Smith made several really good stops. Dicker was excellent when he came on, and I though Tunnicliffe showed he's a good prospect in central defence. For me, one of the keys is going to be getting a proper full-back in on the left, be it McNulty or Jake Wright, as that then allows us to drop either Elphick or Virgo, play Tunnicliffe with whichever is left, and Whing in his natural position on the right. The worst point yesterday came when Elphick, although he hadn't played that well, got sent off, leaving us with a choice of El Abd or Hawkins at centre half.

Finally, I may be alone here, but I still believe that if/when Craig Davies gets an opportunity, he's got the ability to prove people wrong.

What is the world coming to when people want a manager sacked after four games? We all want to win every game, but there are 91 other teams in the Premier League and Football League who all want the same, and logic dictates that they won't all get what they want.

A little faith is required here- if we're still dreadful come the end of September, say, it's a problem. After four games? I'd rather get the bad run out of the way now, let's just say that.

Excellent post, and spot on. Yesterday had the freakish quality of the Crewe home game when we had so many injuries including the horrible one to McNulty and ended with 10 fit players. As a Manager you can't legislate for those games. Slade will get it right given time (but of course lots of people don't want to do this). We want success and we want it now!

 

[SittingbourneSeagull]

We could also look at the context of last season, when we played both Huddersfield away and Stockport at home in the closing weeks.

Seems we have gone backwards.

You talk complete crap. In some of your posts that I have seen today you have either been trying to wind people up or (as I believe) you don't have a clue.

Huddersfield have changed their team completely, and are probably going to be top 3 or 4 this season and the Stockport game last season had lots more riding on it then yesterdays.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

You talk complete crap. In some of your posts that I have seen today you have either been trying to wind people up or (as I believe) you don't have a clue.

Huddersfield have changed their team completely, and are probably going to be top 3 or 4 this season and the Stockport game last season had lots more riding on it then yesterdays.

It was more a case of devil's advocate in this case.

Yes, Huddersfield will be up there. But if you believed half the posters on here, we were set for the play offs.

And yes, there was more riding on the Stockport game last season. But then again, they have also sold most of their good players since then.