Anyone care for some perspective?

[1234andcounting]

OK, there are lies, damned lies and statistics - but these are the stats.

We have actually played five games this season - with one draw and two defeats against opposition that could, at best, be described as mediocre. We have been comprehensively outplayed when we have come up against stronger opposition.

We have scored three goals and conceded 15.
We have had three players sent off in.

The comparisons with 2000-2001 are fair enough and we may still turn it round, but I see nothing that has improved in terms of tactics, overall match fitness of players or commitment from last season (last half dozen or so games excepted).

Of course, it may be an away game at the New Den which transforms our season but I for one am not holding my breath.

 

[pork pie]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

We have NOT had one good performance other than the Scunny match, including pre-season.

As I see it, that is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

IF Tony Bloom is serious about us getting to the Premiership, we probably need a better Manager than Russell Slade. IF Tony Bloom only wants to carry on as we have for the last 26 or so years, then Russell Slade should be given a longer chance, he is probably good enough to stop us getting relegated this year, and maybe the playoffs in the next couple of years.

Having thought about things a lot over the last few days, I think that changing the Manager now, is the correct thing to do IF Tony Bloom really wants to repeat his Grandfather's Board's success under Mike Bamber. However, if he does not want to "go for it", then Russell Slade is probably worth giving more time.

It would probably not be fair to sack Russell Slade, but life is not always fair. With Tony Bloom's massive investment in out Club, he needs to ensure that the Club moves forward, and does not remain in Dick Knight's non-league mode.

To achieve that progress, requires a massive growth in our fan base. That probably requires a bigger name manager than Russell Slade, and certainly real sustained success on the pitch.

The real question is can we be confident that Russel Slade can deliver that type of success?

We need to remember that we are all die-hard fans, who have stuck by the Club through thick and thin, and that we are just comming out of the darkest years that the Club has ever had.

Now we are about to move into a wonderfull new stadium, which needs be filled by a new genaration of fans. This will need a massive upturn in the Clubs profile, and a big name manager would be a quicker way to achieve this - just like the appointment of Brian Clough by and then former England Captain Alan Mullery by Mike Bamber in the 70's.

 

[Insel affe]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

We have NOT had one good performance other than the Scunny match, including pre-season.

As I see it, that is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

IF Tony Bloom is serious about us getting to the Premiership, we probably need a better Manager than Russell Slade. IF Tony Bloom only wants to carry on as we have for the last 26 or so years, then Russell Slade should be given a longer chance, he is probably good enough to stop us getting relegated this year, and maybe the playoffs in the next couple of years.

Having thought about things a lot over the last few days, I think that changing the Manager now, is the correct thing to do IF Tony Bloom really wants to repeat his Grandfather's Board's success under Mike Bamber. However, if he does not want to "go for it", then Russell Slade is probably worth giving more time.

It would probably not be fair to sack Russell Slade, but life is not always fair. With Tony Bloom's massive investment in out Club, he needs to ensure that the Club moves forward, and does not remain in Dick Knight's non-league mode.

To achieve that progress, requires a massive growth in our fan base. That probably requires a bigger name manager than Russell Slade, and certainly real sustained success on the pitch.

The real question is can we be confident that Russel Slade can deliver that type of success?

We need to remember that we are all die-hard fans, who have stuck by the Club through thick and thin, and that we are just comming out of the darkest years that the Club has ever had.

Now we are about to move into a wonderfull new stadium, which needs be filled by a new genaration of fans. This will need a massive upturn in the Clubs profile, and a big name manager would be a quicker way to achieve this - just like the appointment of Brian Clough by and then former England Captain Alan Mullery by Mike Bamber in the 70's.

 

[theonesmith]

It was more a case of devil's advocate in this case.

Yes, Huddersfield will be up there. But if you believed half the posters on here, we were set for the play offs.

And yes, there was more riding on the Stockport game last season. But then again, they have also sold most of their good players since then.

However, we did not have 1 and 2 players respectively sent off last season. Also we created 24 chances yesterday. Stockport scored most of their opportunities. There is plenty of scope for correction.

If you believe half the posters on here? I have trouble believing a handful of posters. Mate, Slade just rescued us from relegation last season! He inherited a shite side and a club with no structure and is slowly changing and building. I thought you had half a brain- can you not see this? We need to build the club and the team over a season or two. Do you really think a "big name manager" and a lot of money will get us promoted? Look at Leeds.

I agree with a previous poster- either you dislike Russell Slade, are trying to wind people up or are just as foolish as the rest of most of this board.

 

[theonesmith]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

We have NOT had one good performance other than the Scunny match, including pre-season.

As I see it, that is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

IF Tony Bloom is serious about us getting to the Premiership, we probably need a better Manager than Russell Slade. IF Tony Bloom only wants to carry on as we have for the last 26 or so years, then Russell Slade should be given a longer chance, he is probably good enough to stop us getting relegated this year, and maybe the playoffs in the next couple of years.

Having thought about things a lot over the last few days, I think that changing the Manager now, is the correct thing to do IF Tony Bloom really wants to repeat his Grandfather's Board's success under Mike Bamber. However, if he does not want to "go for it", then Russell Slade is probably worth giving more time.

It would probably not be fair to sack Russell Slade, but life is not always fair. With Tony Bloom's massive investment in out Club, he needs to ensure that the Club moves forward, and does not remain in Dick Knight's non-league mode.

To achieve that progress, requires a massive growth in our fan base. That probably requires a bigger name manager than Russell Slade, and certainly real sustained success on the pitch.

The real question is can we be confident that Russel Slade can deliver that type of success?

We need to remember that we are all die-hard fans, who have stuck by the Club through thick and thin, and that we are just comming out of the darkest years that the Club has ever had.

Now we are about to move into a wonderfull new stadium, which needs be filled by a new genaration of fans. This will need a massive upturn in the Clubs profile, and a big name manager would be a quicker way to achieve this - just like the appointment of Brian Clough by and then former England Captain Alan Mullery by Mike Bamber in the 70's.

I disagree. I think the best way if we are serious in getting to the Premiership is by building a side over a long period of time. Do you think we just need to get Dennis Wise in and in 5 years time we'll be in the Champions League?

I very much doubt we will ever enter the Premiership. I don't even really mind that. I will happily settle to be a decent Championship side. But the key for the club atm is stability. Russell is shaping not only the team but the structure of the club and I'm sure Tony Bloom is aware of what is happening and will give him time.

 

[SittingbourneSeagull]

I disagree. I think the best way if we are serious in getting to the Premiership is by building a side over a long period of time. Do you think we just need to get Dennis Wise in and in 5 years time we'll be in the Champions League?

I very much doubt we will ever enter the Premiership. I don't even really mind that. I will happily settle to be a decent Championship side. But the key for the club atm is stability. Russell is shaping not only the team but the structure of the club and I'm sure Tony Bloom is aware of what is happening and will give him time.

I think that sums it up nicely. We can be a strong side with a good fan base given time. Yes we have been in the top division before, but look at the cost. We could not financially support the contracts we had given players and the debt this created was one of the reasons why we lost our ground.

Our club needs a solid foundation and chopping and changing Managers will not achieve this. We have had so many Managers over the past 12 years and look where we are.

 

[Mackenzie]

Its only August, the squad is fine, Slade is fine, we'll win the Ashes.....no need to panic!

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

If Bloom is a businessman and thinks only business then Slade is in trouble because of the horrific last week. However, football is not business, its more complicated.

Four games is simply not enough. This is a completely new team with new tactics and, from what I've heard it is prewdominantly [players whow ere with us last year who have been to blame for our defeats.

So... for me plussses are Tunnicliffe, Smith, Dickinson, Bennett... all Slade buys.

I'm not sure Slade is the man but I am prepared to give another month... by then the team has to gel or we could already be off the pace.

The honest truth we have had the luck against us at a time when we needed it to go our way so this team gelled. We need to look at the positives of yesterday and move forward.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

We have NOT had one good performance other than the Scunny match, including pre-season.

As I see it, that is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

IF Tony Bloom is serious about us getting to the Premiership, we probably need a better Manager than Russell Slade. IF Tony Bloom only wants to carry on as we have for the last 26 or so years, then Russell Slade should be given a longer chance, he is probably good enough to stop us getting relegated this year, and maybe the playoffs in the next couple of years.

Having thought about things a lot over the last few days, I think that changing the Manager now, is the correct thing to do IF Tony Bloom really wants to repeat his Grandfather's Board's success under Mike Bamber. However, if he does not want to "go for it", then Russell Slade is probably worth giving more time.

It would probably not be fair to sack Russell Slade, but life is not always fair. With Tony Bloom's massive investment in out Club, he needs to ensure that the Club moves forward, and does not remain in Dick Knight's non-league mode.

To achieve that progress, requires a massive growth in our fan base. That probably requires a bigger name manager than Russell Slade, and certainly real sustained success on the pitch.

The real question is can we be confident that Russel Slade can deliver that type of success?

We need to remember that we are all die-hard fans, who have stuck by the Club through thick and thin, and that we are just comming out of the darkest years that the Club has ever had.

Now we are about to move into a wonderfull new stadium, which needs be filled by a new genaration of fans. This will need a massive upturn in the Clubs profile, and a big name manager would be a quicker way to achieve this - just like the appointment of Brian Clough by and then former England Captain Alan Mullery by Mike Bamber in the 70's.

Erm... some of us remember the Clough era and wish it had never happened... as for Mullery, he wasn't a great manager when he came, just an ex-international..... what did Liam Brady do for us?

I want a manager who has either shown to have good potential or one who can move us up. Don't forget that League 1 is a very different place to the Premiership and I am pretty sure that some premierships managers would make a total hash of this job. Slade has some pedigree and therefore needs time to build.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

Defeat at home to an own goal in a game that could have gone either way.
An away draw and no goals but only one fit striker.
A drubbing only after keeper sent off. Still a shortage of fit strikers.
In the game and scoring at last but nailed by double sending off.

Background issues: Lack of striking options; possibly best player (McNulty) missing; masses of new faces; Glenn Murray buggering about.

Of course there are odd things too - like Gary Dicker not playing - and one point from 12 is a very, very poor return on four games. but it seems to me that there are some reasons (not excuses) or at least explanations for what has gone on.

Anyone care for some perspective? On NSC? Of course not - far better to eulogise or demonise - far simple than actually thinking about what has gone on.

Well that's too much....too much fuckin' perspective.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Anyone care for some perspective? On NSC? Of course not - far better to eulogise or demonise - far simple than actually thinking about what has gone on.

Perspective? You mean awarding plus or minus points to posters who happen to agree or disagree with your personal viewpoint. Nah, we don't do that. London Irish used to do that. He was soon seen off with his hyperbole between his legs goodstyle. You'll currently find him over in the bobble-hatted ghetto of Brightonfans.com :: Brighton and Hove Albion fansite where he is worshipped as a GOD.

 

[pork pie]

Erm... some of us remember the Clough era and wish it had never happened...

You f***ing what? Some people on here are f***ing pathetic? It was the best time the Club ever had. I loved every minute of it when will we ever get to give Man Utd fans a kicking wt Wembly again?

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Perspective? You mean awarding plus or minus points to posters who happen to agree or disagree with your personal viewpoint. Nah, we don't do that. London Irish used to do that. He was soon seen off with his hyperbole between his legs goodstyle. You'll currently find him over in the bobble-hatted ghetto of Brightonfans.com :: Brighton and Hove Albion fansite where he is worshipped as a GOD.

Nope, I mean a sense of perspective. We've played four league games so far.

 

[Brovion]

You f***ing what? Some people on here are f***ing pathetic? It was the best time the Club ever had. I loved every minute of it when will we ever get to give Man Utd fans a kicking wt Wembly again?

Eh? When did we play Man U at Wembley under Clough? As was pointed out we DID once sack a struggling manager and replace him with a 'name', possibly the biggest name in football at the time ....... and we were shit.

 

[Simster]

Nope, I mean a sense of perspective. We've played four league games so far.

But as has been said before, who made YOU sole guardian of perspective then?

 

[Gwylan]

We've had 4 really shite games like your said. I doubt we will get relegated but I could be close finishing maybe 15th 16th or 17th

Which is not too far off large number of people expected at the start of the season. Nothing so far has convinced me that we're going to do much better or worse than that.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Early Days. Patience. We have no divine right to win.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

You f***ing what? Some people on here are f***ing pathetic? It was the best time the Club ever had. I loved every minute of it when will we ever get to give Man Utd fans a kicking wt Wembly again?

What th ehell are you talkıng about? Clough wasn't really with us logn enough to go anywhere.... let alone Wembley!!!

 

[minnieme]

there are positives, but unfortunately way too many NSC'ers seem at their happiest when moaning. I was abused after Swindon last season for saying I believed we would stay up, and I believe just as strongly that we'll have top 10 finish this term. Plenty of games left in the season.

Correct

 

[Deleted User X18H]

What th ehell are you talkıng about? Clough wasn't really with us logn enough to go anywhere.... let alone Wembley!!!

Eh?