Ignoring the media would be better, but it's pretty much impossible. And the masses will always resort to reading the political ramblings of the Sun and the Star, who write for the benefit of their average audience....
Well said. Ninja for PM.
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Well said. Ninja for PM.
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Ignoring the media would be better, but it's pretty much impossible. And the masses will always resort to reading the political ramblings of the Sun and the Star, who write for the benefit of their average audience....
Well i don't read papers at all because of the bullshit put in them but i do believe that Blair really was a liar and full of shit, how so many were pulled in by the crap that came from him worries me - is the majority of the country unable to spot goons like him?
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Well said. Ninja for PM.
You may laugh, but my two ambitions in life are 1) Become the manager of a professional football club and/or 2) Become PM. Ambitious, but what's a life without ambition.
Well i don't read papers at all because of the bullshit put in them but i do believe that Blair really was a liar and full of shit, how so many were pulled in by the crap that came from him worries me - is the majority of the country unable to spot goons like him?
I think Blair mislead the country over the real reasons for taking us to war, but I completely agree with him. It was inevitable, and it was justified. Not for the reasons that were initially given though, I agree on that. We were better off as a country with Tony Blair in charge though, I'd argue that until I was blue in the face.
If that's true then do you think all our past PMs should be tried for crimes as well? READ SOME HISTORY. They are all guilty of making decisions that they believed to be (rightly or wrongly) in the country's best interests.
so it's acceptable if it happened in the past ?
Please tell me of such decisions made by past PM's of such magnitude in recent history (relevant to today's society)
I'd love to see Tony the Kid Killer (which he will be known as in future history books) sent to the gallows just like Saddam Hussein and before the trap door goes everyone on their iphones will be snapping pics and yelling at him rather rudely. JUSTICE!
Leekbrookgull
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Mike,hello. Try the Morning Star.
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Blair has killed more innocent Iraqis than Saddam ever did!
So, exactly what 'war crimes' was Blair guilty of that would put him up before the Hague or do you just spout what you read in your crap red top papers or what your mates said down the pub. Do you honestly believe that orders were given to execute cold bloodly men women and children and bury them in mass graves? Or is it just the fact that you didn't agree with the decision to go to war? Perhaps Churchill should be posthumously put on trial, Maggie Thatcher for the Belgrano etc etc. Comments like the pair of you make are so dumb it is unbelievable.
Well i don't read papers at all because of the bullshit put in them but i do believe that Blair really was a liar and full of shit, how so many were pulled in by the crap that came from him worries me - is the majority of the country unable to spot goons like him?
Firstly, I suspect most politicians lie but could you be specific about which lies you are referring to rather than generalisations.
severnside gull
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Thatcher - Falklands - Belgrano
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The Belgrano posed a great and real threat to The Task force. I seem to remember that The Argy Navy stayed in port after The Belgrano was sunk. I'm sure that the Captain and crew of The British sub felt sick at having to sink The Belgrano but that's war. Nothing illigal was done.
severnside gull
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except yesterday's "evidence" where the attorney general at the time said that he had advised Blair (under no pressure from him) that the UN Resolution did in effect give authority to act which is what Blair said today.......
Now these guys are politicians and we can believe them or not.
We can also elect them or not
Hardly the magnitude and as well documentmented Thatcher only took decisions after full consultation and these records are for all to see. Blair didn't even consult most of his cabinet. Also remember our land was invaded and we went to protect it and remove the aggressors, what happens in such a time I believe is fair game.
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Er....no.
Argentina opened aggressions against us, invading a British protectorate island group.
The onus was upon us to take care of business or risk being ineffectual for ALL our responsibilities Worldwide.
Iraq did NOT have 'WMD's or nuclear capability, and their only threat was towards their neighbours - which our allies the US had encouraged. That stuff about the Kurds - Saddam was seen to have put down an aggressor (as are the Turks against the Kurds, since) and at the time it was done there was not an outcry.
All across the World, governing bodies have been a threat to their own and other people, yet they are ignored. Blair came up with flimsy reasons for an illegal invasion and deposing of a former ally leader (one who insisted on freedom of religion in Iraq incidentally - contrary to adverse propaganda that painted him as a tyrant who oppressed certain religious groups). NO 'wmd's, NO connection with the 9/11 terrorists, and devoid of threat - yet he was deposed and strangely allowed to be hung.
I'm not going to suggest Saddam Hussein was a decent sort, but we have chosen to ignore several as bad or worse in recent years. It was an ill-conceived, ill-prepared, and poorly carried-out illegal invasion that cost innocent lives. I just don't see how or why that can be condoned.
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...except it was very clearly sailing AWAY from the conflict area at the time and thereby posed no threat EXCEPT in the view of those (Thatcher) who made the decision.
Now I personally agree that it was tactically a good call but it was morally questionable and many at home and abroad called Thatcher a "criminal" as a result just as there were widespread calls in the international community against the "legality" of our fighting the war in the first place..........sound familiar?