[Misc] Another mass shootin

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I have no issue with their right to bear arms whatsoever.



However their right to bear children.....

 

[FatSuperman]

funny thing is at State level and lower, there's an awful lot of gun control legislation. the congressmen voting against federal controls will be from areas that have similar controls in their home town. who they are representing is confusing.

I'm not an expert by any means, but I do believe it's laughably easy to get hold of significant weaponry with very little trouble. I know states have different laws, but in many of them (probably over half) it is ridiculous to most people. Including most American's if they bothered to check their own laws - rather than assume a certain rule is in effect.

In many states:
1. Whilst full-auto weapons have not been legal to purchase since the 80's, semi-auto (assault rifles for example) have been allowed in since 2004
2. There is no limit to the magazine capacity
3. There is no limit to how many guns you can buy
4. You do not need a permit to purchase or carry weapons (most states you need a permit to carry handguns)
5. You do not need a license / registration
6. You do not need background checks if you buy at a gun show or private sale in most states.
7. People on terrorist watch lists are not prohibited from buying guns
8. Law enforcement do not have to be told when large quantities of guns are bought in a short space of time

 

[FatSuperman]

 

[Juan Albion]

The "It's fake news" and "It never happened" conspiracy nutters are at it already.

 

[Pevenseagull]

https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com

 

[Beach Hut]

How thick are Americans ?

The local Sherriff has just said the issue is people not guns, FFS it is people with guns

 

[Fungus]

I was just having a google for the Texas Tower shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting (1966)

Coincidently, I was listening to this earlier, as referenced in the Wiki page. Bizarrely, the Texas Tower shooting almost seems like something from a more innocent age, compared to recent massacres.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWKpblxejWE

 

[JimmyJayUK]

Guns don't kill people, rappers do

 

[Stat Brother]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/03/devas...any-shootings-have-rocked-us-in-2017-6973992/


There have been more than 46,000 shooting incidents this year already (Picture: gunviolencearchive.org)


More than 11,000 have been killed by gun violence (Picture: gunviolencearchive.org)


Bizarrely enough, Nevada or less bizarre North Dakota are the places to be.

 

[Stat Brother]

To understand the next mass murder you need to watch this:-

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[sjamesb3466]

The frustrating thing is, the attack would likely have been worse had a local not been armed.

The real issue here isnt entirely guns and I think it really obscures the real issue at hand. All these people crying "Why isn't he being called a terrorist" "if he was black he'd be a terrorist", are again, missing the point. Mental health is clearly an issue in the United States. Taking guns away doesn't negate the intention to kill and mass stabbings happen a lot in China and to some extent, Japan.

The real solution is a system of regulation as to WHO can purchase a gun rather than banning guns themselves.

The anti-gun mob and the pro-gun mob literally ignore the issue at hand to grab the moral high ground. Both groups are to blame for the crisis in the U.S. Mental health is a huge stigma in the U.S, and regulating who can purchase a gun based on mental health could go a long way to helping the problem.

They also need to make it illegal to sell guns privately as in most states I believe there are little to no restrictions/background checks on private gun sales including organised fun fairs.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

It's strange that we're also a country with our fair share of people suffering from mental health problems yet our rate of gun crime is quite low. I wonder why that might be.

The Brits have been subjugated by their Royals and Governments for 1000+ years. Slaves and Pawns to the whims of those people in power.

The US was built on the basis of frontier expansion where personal freedom actually existed and any man could go out and forge their own trail, a lot of which relied on the backing of guns.

History is why the US and the UK aren't comparable.

 

[RexCathedra]

I believe that the left in America is just as perplexed by the rightist gun culture as we brits are perplexed.

Speaking as a member of the left in America, we're not perplexed. If you ask the gun cultists, they'll tell you:

All those guns are necessary because soon They are going to come boiling out of the cities some day to take our wide-screen TV's and white women, and we need to be ready.
Either that, or for the patriot insurrection when the inevitable happens, and we elect a woman president -- or another colored one --and the government needs to be overthrown and a proper one substituted as a result.

 

[dangull]

Shooting innocent people in a church seems worse than any where else.

If your not safe there, where can you be? This is a place that teaches " love thy neighbour, he who is without sin cast the first stone"

The British have given up the 13 colonies, so in the modern world, the USA does not need all its civilians to have a gun if someone steps on your foot accidently.

 

[GreersElbow]

They also need to make it illegal to sell guns privately as in most states I believe there are little to no restrictions/background checks on private gun sales including organised fun fairs.

Absolutely, it's terrifying to think you can post a gun on gumtree and go pick it up. There's a huge mentality to shift, the reality is both sides will ignore what is pragmatic for the moral high ground. There is no call for discussion, only for "Degulate guns" or "ban guns", unfortunately the media love this dichotomy. I'm sure the majority of Americans don't mind gun ownership, just would prefer sensible regulation so legit owners can enjoy what they do and those with sinister or criminal intentions either find it very difficult to impossible to get a gun legally.

 

[Stat Brother]

This MUST be watched in full, just to get to the last minute.

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[BadFish]

Absolutely, it's terrifying to think you can post a gun on gumtree and go pick it up. There's a huge mentality to shift, the reality is both sides will ignore what is pragmatic for the moral high ground. There is no call for discussion, only for "Degulate guns" or "ban guns", unfortunately the media love this dichotomy. I'm sure the majority of Americans don't mind gun ownership, just would prefer sensible regulation so legit owners can enjoy what they do and those with sinister or criminal intentions either find it very difficult to impossible to get a gun legally.

The NRA seem to take any attempt to introduce regulation as the slippery slope to banning guns. I assume there are regulations in place for anything that has a side effect of being dangerous: cars, dogs, chemicals, work places etc etc. It really beggars belief that they don't have regulations in place for something designed to endanger life.

IMHO this is evidence of the problems caused by powerful political pressure groups shifting morality and good sense in government. Politicians are elected to represent the people not groups resourced by industry .

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

This MUST be watched in full, just to get to the last minute.

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Trump, "Well Mr Bernstein your business plan is sound unlike your mental state, for that reason You're Fired"

Bernstein, "FIRED? F**@ing fired! I'll give you fired".

CNN news anchor "Reports are coming in of a mass shooting in Colorado Springs"..........................

 

[BadFish]

This MUST be watched in full, just to get to the last minute.

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Echoes of psycho right there.

 

[Stat Brother]

Trump, "Well Mr Bernstein your business plan is sound unlike your mental state, for that reason You're Fired"

Bernstein, "FIRED? F**@ing fired! I'll give you fired".

CNN news anchor "Reports are coming in of a mass shooting in Colorado Springs"..........................

It's simpler than that, all it will take is one of his girls to whisper:-

'kill them all'.