[Albion] "Albion dressing room would be supportive of gay player"

[Albumen]

PS to the above: Is it easier to be openly gay as a footballer or as a member of a football fans' forum?

Are you really asking that question?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Good for you for being upfront Frutos, but I have never seen anyone else.


I am happy to openly state that I am heterosexual.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Do you mean out on NSC. Or Out in general. I never intended to be "out" on NSC and although I have posted a fair number of times regarding LGBT issues which make it obvious that I am gay, its only in response to questions or statements that I feel need a reply to.

My husband is also a NSC contributor, but I dont think he has posted anything that would indicate he is gay. Does that make him closeted on here even though like me, we are "out" in real life

As many of us know, there are many aspects of a person. I won't list the aspects, or their classification criteria. We may consider mentioning an aspect in a particular context, or not. Whatever it is, and whether one decides to mention it, is up to the individual. It is against the law now to bully people from a position of prejudice. I rather like that and consider it a mark of civilisation. Even if it does have to be policed (or, on NSC, moderated) from time to time

 

[nickbrighton]

makes three so far then!

 

[beorhthelm]

I assume the NSC readership is representative of the population as a whole, so how many of the 10 percent of whatever of us who are LGBQT+ are out?

shouldnt assume that at all, the readership are heavily bias towards male football fans from Brighton. also according to ONS its about 2% LGB.

 

[Justice]

You're just not understanding it from the other person's view (which most do seem to understand here).

Coming out in sport, especially football, is a different process to someone coming out in mainstream life.

If a person ‘comes out’ in mainstream life it would generally only need to be for family and friends. A part of natural conversation, but one which takes courage as there is still fear, even now, over what reactions may be. Some of that fear may be imagined, but it can be very real- especially for a younger person who doesn’t want to become the subject of gossip and enquiry. Folk can be more confident of talking about their same sex relationships in the workplace as part of natural discourse because they have protections. The problem is, such natural conversation about outside work activities are still regarded as ‘in your face’ by a few cultural stragglers. Thus the fear is still fed. Anyone of the ‘as long as they keep it to themselves’ brigade, as some belong to here, is homophobic. Do they keep there own private lives out of normal conversation ?

In sport it is more complex. Lives are intruded upon. Especially in football. It’s not just the dressing room reaction. That is probably the least of a player’s worries, especially somewhere as culturally sensitive as the Premier League has arrived at. It is the outside reaction.

A player with a wife and family doesn’t have this problem. They have nothing to front. In an ideal world a player with a same sex partner wouldn’t either. They would just live in the same open and unfiltered way. But there is a problem. They are fearful of reactions. I was only looking at a football Facebook page last night that had a picture of Elton John at Watford. Yes, the comments came…

So a player stays reserved about themselves, saying nothing. Perhaps not having relationships. They do so knowing that if it comes out most will not care, but a significant group will make capital and treat them as a freak show. It’s just bantz isn’t it ?

Papers cannot ‘out’ people anymore. It is culturally unacceptable. But that doesn’t stop the diseased primates in Twitter doing their thing. It doesn’t stop the abuse from the terraces. And all the while the straight white conditioned males call out for a thick skin. They can’t and won’t understand.

If I was playing football at a professional level there is no way that I would talk about a same sex relationship when others were telling of their new girlfriends. The institution itself may be accommodating, but a look at FB or Twitter, or a reminder that even on forums such as this where a few still don’t want to hear it, and it’s back in the closet. I can understand why players don’t do it. They just don’t need the hassle.

Sorry to single you out, but your view, PPF and Portlock show there is still a long way to go. And this is a BRIGHTON forum. So imagine the amplification elsewhere.

I’ve lived In London for 30 odd years and still find Brighton/Sussex way behind the times, gay straight bi no one bats an eyelid anymore it’s not even a subject no one cares. My teenage daughter has gay friends, straight friends even the kids find it normal here and that was the reason behind my post. I have know idea what your singling me out for tbh Excepting everyone as an equal human being?

 

[Eeyore]

I’ve lived In London for 30 odd years and still find Brighton/Sussex way behind the times, gay straight bi no one bats an eyelid anymore it’s not even a subject no one cares. My teenage daughter has gay friends, straight friends even the kids find it normal here and that was the reason behind my post. I have know idea what your singling me out for tbh Excepting everyone as an equal human being?

There are places in London where it would be ill advised to cover up on sexuality. But I see your wider point. Things have changed.

But think about from a footballer's perspective.

Read my post #104. It gives a better perspective.

 

[Baldseagull]

Good for you for being upfront Frutos, but I have never seen anyone else.


I am happy to openly state that I am heterosexual.

You just haven't met the right man yet.

 

[Seasider78]

Sadly coming out in the football world means global media reporting and fan attention and is hyped up to such a ridiculous degree it must be terrifying for any player in this situation alongside the pressures within their own personal lives.

 

[BadFish]

Just tired of everything on this website and in general being about such things. I think it’s dividing us more than ever. It never used to cross my mind, now I think our social engineering has more in common with the 1920s and 30s than many would care to think. Probably Time for a break and let the usual suspects do what they do. It’ll be the same lot politically point scoring in 1 months time, 3 months time, 12 months time etc.

I know right, why do they have to make a fuss about it? Expecting empathy, consideration and thought.

Much better when we just ignored em, or beat them up, or wheeled them out on TV so we could enjoy the freakshow.

Ahhh the good old days, when we only had to worry about people the same as us.

 

[BadFish]

Blimey you’ve gone off on a right one there. But it doesn’t does it? And NSC certainly doesn’t. Why can’t we have a chat site that isn’t obsessed with morale superiority point scoring and just talks about ‘the football’ without everything having to become about such issues day in day out. Same sanctimonious and antagonists posters at it all the time.

When you opened this thread did you assume that it was going to be about 'the football'?

You can find a thread title that gives you a clue about the subject of the thread. If you were really interested in only talking about 'the football' you would have ignored this thread and found one about football. The truth of the matter is that you wanted to open this thread and be outraged by the 'santimonious', 'moral superiority' and 'virtue Signalling'. I would also hazard a guess that you did this so you could be 'antagonistic' about it.

The fact of the matter is that you have gone out of your way to get involved in a clearly labelled discussion. If you really just want to talk about 'the football' then you've really got to ask yourself why you did that.

 

[El Presidente]

I am happy to openly state that I am heterosexual.

You’re happy? I’m devastated

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

When you opened this thread did you assume that it was going to be about 'the football'?

You can find a thread title that gives you a clue about the subject of the thread. If you were really interested in only talking about 'the football' you would have ignored this thread and found one about football. The truth of the matter is that you wanted to open this thread and be outraged by the 'santimonious', 'moral superiority' and 'virtue Signalling'. I would also hazard a guess that you did this so you could be 'antagonistic' about it.

The fact of the matter is that you have gone out of your way to get involved in a clearly labelled discussion. If you really just want to talk about 'the football' then you've really got to ask yourself why you did that.

And people sometimes ask me.....oh, never mind

 

[BadFish]

I consider myself to be a liberal, tolerant, dyed-in-the-wool leftie.
However I often find myself feeling like some reactionary old gammon, in comparison to my kid's generation's views on Gender identity/sexuality.
The world moves on. The values from previous generations are superseded by the next. It was ever thus.

No one is being told what to think! They are just being exposed as being less and less relevant, and more and more in the minority.
It's progress, it's a wonderful thing.

Post of the thread!

It is interesting isn't? my kids are the same with me. My oldest boy has 'come out' as Aromantic and Asexual. My daughter may end up 'coming out' for something. She is 14 so I think she is still working it out. She knows I am here to talk if she needs to and I'll support her whatever. (my rules are; as long as you don't support Palace or vote Tory, we are all good - Jokes people, jokes).

I think it is ironic that the only person that is telling people what they can and can't talk about is the one complaining about being told what to think.

Progress is wonderful, but it can also look scary.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

You just haven't met the right man yet.

How will I know?

You’re happy? I’m devastated

Don't give up all hope, Baldseagull thinks it could still happen.

 

[Swansman]

Selection of an openly gay man to go and play in a tournament in a country where homosexuality is sometimes punishable by death, would be "awkward" and would require some additional consideration, it would not be done without a second thought, as selecting a heterosexual player could be.

It would be ****ing fantastic if some good player came out before the Qatar World Cup and then got selected for it. It would be the best thing of the whole tournament.

 

[Baldseagull]

It would be ****ing fantastic if some good player came out before the Qatar World Cup and then got selected for it. It would be the best thing of the whole tournament.

Fantastic for who?

 

[Baldseagull]

How will I know?





Don't give up all hope, Baldseagull thinks it could still happen.

I don't know, I haven't met the right man yet either.

 

[Swansman]

Fantastic for who?

1. Every gay man in the area.

2. People who dont think the World Cup should be played in Qatar.

3. Those of us who likes when the authorities of the world gets something up their face... I mean the Qatar government could hardly imprison some gay foreign footballer when they are having a World Cup, it would be all kinds of impossible.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Just google Graeme Le Saux if you want to know the level of vile abuse that prevents footballers coming out during their playing career. Bloke wasn't even gay. His only 'crime' was admitting to be a Guardian reader. That went down really well with his moronic fellow pros. Such a shame he didn't just nut Robbie Fowler and inflict thousands of pounds worth of nasal improvements on the scouse ****