[News] Alastair Campbell expelled.

[Ernest]

There's no room for pragmatism in the modern form of the Labour party. As we have seen, when centrist moderates are hounded out, their reasoning isn't the rights and wrongs of their crimes for which they are marginalised or even excluded, it always falls back to why they weren't liked a decade or 2 ago.

Campbell is expelled for voting on a single issue to highlight the absolute mess that is current Labour Brexit policy. The hypocrisy beggars belief when you consider the 600 times Corbyn voted against Labour policy when they were in government. Campbell's crime is clearly nothing more than being a moderate. He's no more of a bully than anyone leading Labour right now.

And just to highlight Labour's complete hypocrisy, let's not forget Derek Hatton was allowed back into Labour under this appalling party leadership. Derek Hatton. Remember him? Here is a speech from one of the finest politicians we've ever had not to be part of a government - Kinnock absolutely slaughtering Hatton and his ilk for their appalling mismanagement of Liverpool. He took back the Labour party from the sort of utter twàts that people like Corbyn represent...

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...people like Hatton, who play politics with people's lives. He was expelled for belonging to Militant, a group found to be in breach of the Labour Party's constitution, much as Campbell has just been. But Hatton has been allowed back in, despite an absolutely appalling Marxist track record of nearly bankrupting one of our cities. Campbell made mistakes - Iraq obviously - but his political record stands up. Three terms in office will tell you that.

Oh and when Kinnock got tough with Hatton, the Labour membership LOVED it, and they'll love it again when the current useless, hypocritical leadership who only play to their own gallery finally fck off.

Hatton wasn’t allowed back in , so makes the rest meaningless

 

[ATFC Seagull]

For what it's worth I reckon historians will write that the "people's vote" camp dropped the ball by refusing to get behind Corbyn's attempt at a soft Brexit, rather than the other way around. Hope I am wrong.

Apologies if the wrong thread.

 

[Ernest]

For what it's worth I reckon historians will write that the "people's vote" camp dropped the ball by refusing to get behind Corbyn's attempt at a soft Brexit, rather than the other way around. Hope I am wrong.

Apologies if the wrong thread.

People’s vote idiots is just another attempt to unseat Corbyn

 

[drew]

And well may you hang your head. The percentage of CHILDREN going to school hungry these days is a national disgrace, for instance.
Look away from your dumbphone or the mirror, stuff is happening to real people.

You are talking utter garbage. Homelessness was around long before Blair and the Trussel Trust was founded in 1997, the year Labour were elected. In 2004 they only had two food banks in the uk (and let's be honest, prior to this there were other ways food was distributed although not well organized. The rise in foodbanks has come about since the global crash and more rapidly since the Tories have been in power. But ignore that, you hate Blair so he must be to blame for absolutely everything wrong with the world. As for age, I first voted in 83 so I think I'm also old enough to comment.

Who would I prefer in power, Blair or the Tories, it's Blair and New Labour everyday of the week.

 

[sydney]

You are talking utter garbage. Homelessness was around long before Blair and the Trussel Trust was founded in 1997, the year Labour were elected. In 2004 they only had two food banks in the uk (and let's be honest, prior to this there were other ways food was distributed although not well organized. The rise in foodbanks has come about since the global crash and more rapidly since the Tories have been in power. But ignore that, you hate Blair so he must be to blame for absolutely everything wrong with the world. As for age, I first voted in 83 so I think I'm also old enough to comment.

Who would I prefer in power, Blair or the Tories, it's Blair and New Labour everyday of the week.

Blair is a top notch **** .....sorry pal , him and g dub wrecked the world needlessly.......all good if you are in the petrochemicals or civil engineering game but if you're a pleb you get to stay in Europe and take the backlash........

 

[Mr Putdown]

Hatton wasn’t allowed back in , so makes the rest meaningless

Yes he was, although he was subsequently suspended a few days later.

 

[nicko31]

You are talking utter garbage. Homelessness was around long before Blair and the Trussel Trust was founded in 1997, the year Labour were elected. In 2004 they only had two food banks in the uk (and let's be honest, prior to this there were other ways food was distributed although not well organized. The rise in foodbanks has come about since the global crash and more rapidly since the Tories have been in power. But ignore that, you hate Blair so he must be to blame for absolutely everything wrong with the world. As for age, I first voted in 83 so I think I'm also old enough to comment.

Who would I prefer in power, Blair or the Tories, it's Blair and New Labour everyday of the week.

Blair achieved a lot good stuff, but he's always be remembered for Iraq nothing else

 

[Simster]

Hatton wasn’t allowed back in , so makes the rest meaningless

Yes he was. His application to re-join was approved and only rejected a few weeks later because someone discovered an anti-Semitic tweet of his. Had it not been discovered, he'd be happily trying to ruin Liverpool again with his brand of extreme Trotskyite bollocks with other people's money.

 

[Waveknight]

(Takes out small onion) Ah yes, the left behind. It was so much better in the 60s and 70s. Every rosy cheeked child had an apple a day, and every man worked a solid 37 and a half hour week in dignity, while every working class kiddy went off to university (mostly Oxbridge) and then on to a bright and comfortable future.

Utter arsedribble. Life was shit. My family lived hand to mouth in the 50s, 60s and 70s. My parents were in thrall to the middle class. We knew our place. We ate shit food. We had a bath once a week whether we needed one or not.

Mr Tony and his chums transformed the UK. Dignity, compromise, collaboration.

The left behind. The 'talking out of your behind' more like.

Still, no compromise with the electorate, comerade, eh?

I'm afraid the last part of your post is utter 'arsedribble' as you so quaintly put it , Ive no time for the Tories but Blair and his cronies had nothing to do with how society as a whole has changed since your 50,60,70s sob story.

 

[drew]

I'm afraid the last part of your post is utter 'arsedribble' as you so quaintly put it , Ive no time for the Tories but Blair and his cronies had nothing to do with how society as a whole has changed since your 50,60,70s sob story.

What did then? Or, do you not think it has changed?

 

[Waveknight]

What did then? Or, do you not think it has changed?

Society evolved as societies do , to claim that tony blair and new labour dragged us out of a once a week bathing, shit food eating purgatory is ludicrous.

 

[drew]

Blair is a top notch **** .....sorry pal , him and g dub wrecked the world needlessly.......all good if you are in the petrochemicals or civil engineering game but if you're a pleb you get to stay in Europe and take the backlash........

Not going to try and pretend it has been plain sailing, far from it, but don't forget that Iraq invaded Kuwait before we got involved in the first gulf war and Al Qaeda was operating long before we went into Afghanistan which itself was before 9/11 and the attacks on the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. What was the alternative? Do you think Osama was going to stop with 9/11?

 

[Biscuit]

Fair enough thats probably your natural home and the rest of the blairite cult. You can now let the rest of the labour party membership be democratic socialists as outlined in the Labour Party consitition

Blairite Cult You weren't calling us that when our votes were getting you elected.

Next time you'd like to actually win a General Election (that thing Blair did three times) let us know. Enjoy the political wilderness. You deserve it.

 

[drew]

Here we go more waffle. Bush and Blair are the same but Blair was our leader that we are responsible for.

I very much doubt that John Major would have been so stupid as to be fooled into being Bush's favourite poodle and going to war on a second front And if people believe that they'll believe anything!

If America went in anyway without us it would not be our problem and could not be blamed for it as we are today.

Selling and buying arms is an international business. I doubt Gaddafi ordered the killing of a British police officer and it's dubious whether Gaddafi ordered Lockerbie and it is suggested that there was an Iranian connection. He admitted culpability in Fletcher's shooting and he took the hit for Lockerbie paying compensation for both. Really? Supplying know terrorists is an acceptable international business! Well, that's a new one on me. The Iranian link to Lockerbie is a suggestion.

He also dismantled and stopped producing WMD on agreement with Blair and opened up oil and Business to the UK to design and develop infrastructure. There were hundreds of civil engineering projects out there that the UK was part of until 2011.

Don't forget that the US, UK and France supported Saddam in the Iraq Iran war. That's a bit of a red herring as it was about which was the lesser of two evils, and Saddam probably just edged it over Ayatollah

The WMD that was used on the Kurds was supplied by Frnace: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_War Did they provide the finished product or just the raw chemicals that Iraq then converted into the poisons?

"Citing a "left-of-center" French magazine, Le Nouvel Observateur, as the primary source, but also quoting French officials, the New York Times reported France had been sending chemical precursors of chemical weapons to Iraq, since 1986"

You are cleanly just arguing for the sake of it with little substance and a narrow view.

What does it matter from where he got the weapons, the fact is he had had them and used them. In his report to the UN on the 14th Feb 2003, Blix reported that they were overseeing the destruction of 50 litres of mustard gas (at that time a third of it had been destroyed) plus thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor, which they had found at another site, had also been destroyed.

Is that substance enough for you?

 

[seagulls4ever]

For what it's worth I reckon historians will write that the "people's vote" camp dropped the ball by refusing to get behind Corbyn's attempt at a soft Brexit, rather than the other way around. Hope I am wrong.

Apologies if the wrong thread.

Yes, many of those individuals who are MPs refused to compromise when it came to the indicative votes, which may later prove erroneous from their point of view.

 

[drew]

Blairite Cult You weren't calling us that when our votes were getting you elected.

Next time you'd like to actually win a General Election (that thing Blair did three times) let us know. Enjoy the political wilderness. You deserve it.

And that is the rub of it. Corbyn may well have 500k + members but that is not what will get him elected. He needs to attract the middle ground. Blair and his cronies realized that and achieved it. Foot and Kinnock didn't. It's not good having great ideals if you're not in power to enact them!

 

[Ernest]

And that is the rub of it. Corbyn may well have 500k + members but that is not what will get him elected. He needs to attract the middle ground. Blair and his cronies realized that and achieved it. Foot and Kinnock didn't. It's not good having great ideals if you're not in power to enact them!

Going for the middle ground did the TINGE mob good in the Euros's didn't it

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Society evolved as societies do , to claim that tony blair and new labour dragged us out of a once a week bathing, shit food eating purgatory is ludicrous.

So you don't believe the nature of a government has any effect on a society? That's a bit extreme, isn't it?

My comments were a rebuke to people who think TB did change society - but making it horribly non-socialist, poorer, shittier and worse than any other PM ever. As part of my narrative I referred to how life was for far too many of us in preceding decades. I presume you didn't notice, either because you're too young, or because you were sitting too prettily in your Lord Fauntleroy trousers

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And that is the rub of it. Corbyn may well have 500k + members but that is not what will get him elected. He needs to attract the middle ground. Blair and his cronies realized that and achieved it. Foot and Kinnock didn't. It's not good having great ideals if you're not in power to enact them!

This.

And hence compromise with the electorate.

It is what people do when they have realised that boring people to death or actually killing anyone who doesn't agree with you might not be the best route to making positive change.

 

[symyjym]

What does it matter from where he got the weapons, the fact is he had had them and used them. In his report to the UN on the 14th Feb 2003, Blix reported that they were overseeing the destruction of 50 litres of mustard gas (at that time a third of it had been destroyed) plus thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor, which they had found at another site, had also been destroyed.

Is that substance enough for you?

All those chemical weapons had a use by date and were ineffective stockpiles from the early 90's and no use to anyone. Saddam was not producing chemical weapons. I would rather take the word of the qualified UN Chief Weapons Inspector working on the ground in Iraq than yourself, and you have already admitted being blinded by your support of Blair and his New Labour.

Your opinion is not an unbiased critical one so you cannot be taken seriously.