London Irish
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FFS Hatton was barred from LP membership only recently. Do you do any fact checking
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[News] Alastair Campbell expelled.
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London Irish
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And **** everyone who voted Leave right? Big election winner that
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(a). Absolutely;
(b). ....plenty of untruths.......from both sides. But hey, don't let truth get in the way of your prejudice!
Yeh right, every remainers' dream - three options on the ballot paper:
1). Leave with no deal;
2). Leave with a deal (whatever that my be);
3). Cancel Article 50 and start widespread discontent the length and breadth of the land.
Nice plan by the shysters in Westminster - option 3 to win by splitting the leave vote. Then, fake surprise when there's trouble at t'mill, and blame someone else.
Hello Mr Dumb!!!
Read my post, there are not three options, there are two questions. You answer the first and then you answer the second. How hard is that to understand
Read the whole thread, you complete simpleton.
Neville's Breakfast
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Indeed, in the light of the private prosecution of Boris I was wondering why George Osborne is not facing similar questions about the ‘emergency budget.’ After all he was actually Chancellor of the Exchequer. Just idle speculation but maybe the crowd funders are not quite so motivated by political integrity as they claim.
You are happy in eternal opposition yeah?
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
You can lie about the present or the past.
Anything about the future is actually an opinion - or a changeable intention - as the facts don't exist yet.
Hello 'Mr Let's Just Insult People'. Guess you must be a remainer.
Neville's Breakfast
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We are talking about misconduct in a public office. It would be reasonable for voters to make the assumption that when the Chancellor of the Exchequor makes such a warning just prior to a referendum he actually has facts to hand to support. After all he was in public office and not a private citizen. It was done to scare people into voting Remain and may well have worked on many. If Boris is convicted then George may well be more than a little concerned.
symyjym
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Yawn, you never indulged me. You completely missed my most important question to you many posts ago and only gave me waffle.
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Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
His defence would be that he fully intended to have an extra budget - but was forced out of office before it could be implemented.
The future is always subject to change, the present and past are not.
Waveknight
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So you don't believe the nature of a government has any effect on a society? That's a bit extreme, isn't it?
My comments were a rebuke to people who think TB did change society - but making it horribly non-socialist, poorer, shittier and worse than any other PM ever. As part of my narrative I referred to how life was for far too many of us in preceding decades. I presume you didn't notice, either because you're too young, or because you were sitting too prettily in your Lord Fauntleroy trousers
You implied that Blair and Co dragged us out of the dark ages , its there in your post , you implied that blair and co DID change society, whereas all the things you mentioned were distant memories by the time blair and co took power , so , your post was indeed 'arsedribble', for the record i come from the same once a week bath , working class background as yourself , though how you can blame that on politicians is a source of mystery to me .
Neville's Breakfast
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What you say is true but the waters become murky when a leading figure on one side of the debate uses his public office to make a claim clearly prejudicial to the other side and which turns out not to actually happen. What changed in the days following the vote for the emergency budget not to be necessary? I have no idea of his actual motivation but it could well be worthwhile testing in court.
I wish you wouldn’t quote this annoying bed pissing poisonous old soak, I have him on ignore but still his bile continues to be regurgeted like rancid pond slime.
Apologies for the insult but thought it was necessary. No need to guess about you! Have you now read and understood my post that you were commenting on?
My journey was pretty much in the opposite direction.
uninmpressed by 1960s and 70s trade unions poking their nose into the running of the country and spending members' money to be 'in solidarity' of a load of sexist racist gauchos in some faraway place like Chile or El Salvador;
not too bothered about the early 70s tories who, while epitomising the snobby class ridden mess the UK had always been were still signed up to the post war concensus on widespread nationalisation and a universal franchise;
increasingly concerned by the maverick Thatcher and her plan to turn the UK into a shit version of he US, with a 'you want it, you pay' philosophy yet with retention of all the very un-american old tory snobbery and classism;
exasperation with the well meaning but naive attempt by Foot to galvanise the nation (incidentally Foot was a consistent, conscientious and considered man with no leadership qualities, a far cry from the capricious and almost cataleptic Corbyn who also has no leadership qualities)
interested and impressed by Kinnock, especially when he threw that narcissistic prick Hatton out of the party;
disappointed yet relieved when Kinnock failed to beat Major. 'All Right. ALL RIGHT!'. No....all wrong. Sorry Neil.
Intrigued by Smith and by this time appalled with the tories who had lurched from pro-European competance - till the Lawson crash, anyway - to theiving from the taxpayer and ****ing the nearest secretary, colleague or teenager within reach, nose in any available trough, and no interest at all in the nation.
Impressed by Blair and other young labour people. Ditching clause 4 was a massive signal (read and understand clause 4 to see what I mean - 'we are no longer a communist party seeking public ownership of everything from the telly to your house');
So I joined the labour party. Me, a fiercely independent person who would normally never join any organization that would be prepared to accept me.
Then we had three terms of government that swept away a great deal of the shit of the past. When I started working at my place of work, young medics would take research options and storm into our research labs, ordering people about, not clearing up, and behaving like nobs. People regularly pulled rank by class to bully juniors. Women colleagues regularly had their arse slapped. The culture of bullying and casual racism was slowly replaced by the culture of respect. Of course Blair didn't 'do' this all by himself, but his vision, his emoting, his leadership set the stage. That's what good leadership is. Guardiola is the football equivalent.
I have said elsewhere why I backed Blair over the gulf. I have yet to hear from any Blair hater who isn't either a lifelong tory (jealous of Blair's electoral success) or an old left or liberal type who loathed Blair from the beginning for his public school education, ready charm, lack of interest in nationalising and 'saving' all the failing highly polluting industries of the 1950s, and his ability to play head tennis with Kevin Keegan.
However, I flinched when Blair drifted further into flakery - Catholicism, defender of the defender of 'all faiths' (Prince Charles), an increasing tendency to use belief to determine judgement (so it seemed to me)....and when he decided to use state money to subsidise religions other than the C of E (the state religion, as invented by Henry VIII) I sent furious email to the party, was soundly ignored, and so resigned. My view was that facilitating a state education system with a plethora of religious schools, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, without proper control of syllabus, will just facilitate sectarianism, creating mini versions of Belfast all over the UK - the opposite of integration.
One of the nice things about the US is that when you become an American, that defines you. The Brits have imported cheap labour from the colonies since the 1950s to do the jobs the whites won't. While holding our noses. And encouraging them to settle in their own mini ghettos. As initially championed by....yes it was.... Enoch Powell. That is a recipe for disaster, the opposite of integration and one-nationhood, the creation of a brand of second class citizens, alone and separated from their new nation, festering. Frankly it is astonishing that some of the behaviour and attitude we all deplore amone some sections of the immigrant ghettos hasn't become more prevalent, with an increasing amount of second, third and fourth generation immigrants now pleasingly part of our national identity. But....the latter has happened by luck more than judgement. So to see labour planning on contributing to further division was too much for me.
And then Blair left in frustration, tired of fighting the well-meaning but utterly unsuited to being anything other than a wing man, Gordon Brown. That went well. And then we had Blair light, a series of technocrats, with tory new Blair in charge of the conservatives. Dreary. This opened the way for Mr Frog Face opportunist rabble rousing chancer, Farrage. Farrage and Trump. Lying and laughing their way to the next money spinner, free of conscience, doctrine, morals.....the people were excited and appalled in not quite equal measure.....
And labour cock up their own process so badly they are now chained to Corbyn until he dies. A party hegemony by chance, the product of a constitution that gives unchecked power to the sort of people who coined the 'no compromise with the electorate' strategy of the early 80s. Drunk with their own local party power to hire and fire candidates on a whim, based on their ideological purity, yet without the guile, vision or collaborative insight to ever be sufficiently electable to form a government. Lilliputians.
And so the nation may soon burn under the leadership of Boris or even Nigel, while labour fiddle with their constitutional constitutions.
Sad.
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Can't stand the bloke but in his defence, he was pretty impotent once Cameron had jumped ship.
I stand by my post. I have elaborated on my views above. This is a politics thread. If you baseline position is that politics is irrelevant and society changes all by itself no matter what politicians do, fine, but this really isn't a thread for you, then, is it? You have made your point.
Incidentally, why the spaces before commas and full stops? Are you Bushy in disguise (again)?
