Adebayor

[Easy 10]

As a matter of interest, how do you define mercenary here? Aren't 90% of professional footballers mercenaries, given that most of them play for teams for whom they have no personal connections.

And where's the cut-off point? How come Henry, at eight years' service, isn't a mercenary, yet Adebayor with 3.5 years, is? If Henry had played for five years, would that make him a mercenary? It's all rather arbitrary isn't it?

(and I don't think you can call Adebayor a 'nobody' before he joined Arsenal, he was playing for Monaco and was already a well-established international, that's a bit of history re-writing going on there)

The point I'm making is that it took Henry 8 years of service at Arsenal to reach the level of salary he was eventually on by the time Adebayor rolled up. Adebayor then somehow felt he deserved to be on the same wage as Henry after ONE SEASON. Thats not arbitrary. Thats just outright GREED (hardly unique amongst footballers I grant you, but that was a particularly breathtaking example).

And I may have taken a bit of licence with regard to Adebayors credentials before he arrived at Arsenal, but the dramatic upward curve in his career owed a very large part to Wenger spotting his potential and plucking him from a garbage leagueto make him into a world-reknowned striker. And after scoring a few goals, the ungrateful bastard got all billy-big-bollocks and just shat all over him.

Adebayor is, quite clearly, an utter arsehole.

 

[El Presidente]

Adebayor is, quite clearly, an utter arsehole.

Agreed, but if we were giving bans for being arseholes, Craig Bellamy would NEVER get a game.

 

[Easy 10]

I fail to see the problem.

 

[Acker79]

The guy is a tosser.
And here's the proof.

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Does he have two identical cars, one for the uk, because, if the image is flipped, shouldn't the writing be reversed?

 

[Garage_Doors]

Does he have two identical cars, one for the uk, because, if the image is flipped, shouldn't the writing be reversed?

A bit of clever edting, eat your heart out Derren

 

[Gwylan]

The point I'm making is that it took Henry 8 years of service at Arsenal to reach the level of salary he was eventually on by the time Adebayor rolled up. Adebayor then somehow felt he deserved to be on the same wage as Henry after ONE SEASON. Thats not arbitrary. Thats just outright GREED (hardly unique amongst footballers I grant you, but that was a particularly breathtaking example).

And I may have taken a bit of licence with regard to Adebayors credentials before he arrived at Arsenal, but the dramatic upward curve in his career owed a very large part to Wenger spotting his potential and plucking him from a garbage leagueto make him into a world-reknowned striker. And after scoring a few goals, the ungrateful bastard got all billy-big-bollocks and just shat all over him.

Adebayor is, quite clearly, an utter arsehole.

I'm not disputing that Adebayor is a bit of an arsehole - the stamp on RVP showed that - but I still don't see why Henry and Adebayor should be treated so radically different. Football fans often apply a standard to footballers that doesn't reflect reality.

I don't know what you do for a living but suppose you join a company as, say, head paper clip buyer having been head-hunted from your previous job. After a while, you discover that you predecessor had earned three times what you did and you ask for a big pay rise - which is turned down., meanwhile the firm down the road gets wind of this and offers you a big rise to buy their paper clips.

Here's the question: would you (or anyone) really turn down the job out of loyalty to a company that is paying you less than the market rate. I wouldn't and I bet 99.9% of the people on here wouldn't either, it's natural to want to move on and better oneself. But somehow when a footballer wants to move on to improve his salary, all hell breaks loose and words like "mercenary" are bandied about. I'd agree that footballers are paid far too much and that PL salaries are not beneficial for football as a whole, but given that they're so large, I don't see an individual player can be castigated for demanding his due. if Adebayor was a reserve, then fair enough, but he was a first-team, leading the attack and scoring goals.

BTW, the "dramatic upward curve" in Henry's career was due in large part to Wenger spotting his potential as a central striker - remember, he'd not been a big success at Juventus and people did wonder if Wenger knew what he was doing.

 

[Questions]

I'm not disputing that Adebayor is a bit of an arsehole - the stamp on RVP showed that - but I still don't see why Henry and Adebayor should be treated so radically different. Football fans often apply a standard to footballers that doesn't reflect reality.

I don't know what you do for a living but suppose you join a company as, say, head paper clip buyer having been head-hunted from your previous job. After a while, you discover that you predecessor had earned three times what you did and you ask for a big pay rise - which is turned down., meanwhile the firm down the road gets wind of this and offers you a big rise to buy their paper clips.

Here's the question: would you (or anyone) really turn down the job out of loyalty to a company that is paying you less than the market rate. I wouldn't and I bet 99.9% of the people on here wouldn't either, it's natural to want to move on and better oneself. But somehow when a footballer wants to move on to improve his salary, all hell breaks loose and words like "mercenary" are bandied about. I'd agree that footballers are paid far too much and that PL salaries are not beneficial for football as a whole, but given that they're so large, I don't see an individual player can be castigated for demanding his due. if Adebayor was a reserve, then fair enough, but he was a first-team, leading the attack and scoring goals.

BTW, the "dramatic upward curve" in Henry's career was due in large part to Wenger spotting his potential as a central striker - remember, he'd not been a big success at Juventus and people did wonder if Wenger knew what he was doing.

Thats a fair arguement when a person is earning normal wages but if you are already on 50 grand a week and you then start moaning about how hard done by you are after little more than a year after a internal promotion within that company I think you would be considered a greedy **** in most spheres.

 

[sten_super]

I'm not disputing that Adebayor is a bit of an arsehole - the stamp on RVP showed that - but I still don't see why Henry and Adebayor should be treated so radically different. Football fans often apply a standard to footballers that doesn't reflect reality.

I don't know what you do for a living but suppose you join a company as, say, head paper clip buyer having been head-hunted from your previous job. After a while, you discover that you predecessor had earned three times what you did and you ask for a big pay rise - which is turned down., meanwhile the firm down the road gets wind of this and offers you a big rise to buy their paper clips.

Here's the question: would you (or anyone) really turn down the job out of loyalty to a company that is paying you less than the market rate. I wouldn't and I bet 99.9% of the people on here wouldn't either, it's natural to want to move on and better oneself. But somehow when a footballer wants to move on to improve his salary, all hell breaks loose and words like "mercenary" are bandied about. I'd agree that footballers are paid far too much and that PL salaries are not beneficial for football as a whole, but given that they're so large, I don't see an individual player can be castigated for demanding his due. if Adebayor was a reserve, then fair enough, but he was a first-team, leading the attack and scoring goals.

BTW, the "dramatic upward curve" in Henry's career was due in large part to Wenger spotting his potential as a central striker - remember, he'd not been a big success at Juventus and people did wonder if Wenger knew what he was doing.

Excellent post! Unfortunately, terrible last paragraph. Henry was the top scorer in the Champions League in his last full season at Monaco, playing as a central striker. He played up front with Trezeguet in his last season there, and it was only because Trezeguet looked so good that Henry was allowed to leave. It was Juventus that attempted to convert him into a winger from a striker, not Arsene doing it in reverse. I think the question marks were over the amount spent - but again, only from those that were completely ignorant of anything other than the previous 6 months of his career.

 

[Gwylan]

It was Juventus that attempted to convert him into a winger from a striker, not Arsene doing it in reverse. I think the question marks were over the amount spent - but again, only from those that were completely ignorant of anything other than the previous 6 months of his career.

That's me then - yes, I only picked up on Henry when he was Juventus so I missed out on his previous career. Thanks for putting that right.

 

[sten_super]

That's me then - yes, I only picked up on Henry when he was Juventus so I missed out on his previous career. Thanks for putting that right.

Sorry for being a pedant

 

[Tooting Gull]

I had a quick look at a Togo news web site this morning, just to see how they've covered the story. Strangely, he had a brilliant game, City have a new idol, he stood head and shoulders above everyone else literally and metaphorically, his memorable celebration antagonised the Arsenal fans so gutted to see him leave - and no mention of the Van Persie incident at all. Clearly, we have him all wrong.

 

[Acker79]

Martin Samuel discussed it in his latest article:

MARTIN SAMUEL on the Emmanuel Adebayor debate: The hypocrites are in the stands | Mail Online

 

[NMH]

Adebayor is a wanker. Thats been established and proved.
His behaviour on Saturday was that of a wanker, in my opinion. So he's just playing to form there.
And the Arsenal fans were twats for totally overreacting.
Now Mark Hughes has weighed in with some twattish, mealy-mouthed remarks.

NOBODY comes out of this well really, do they.

Yep, they are all wankers.
The whole affair will get dragged out, the rematch at Emirates will probably be sensitive, and actually - I don't personally dislike any of it. Proper (not faked) entertainment. 'Reality tv' can't get any better than this, and people are complaining and ranting

It's all good!

 

[NMH]

Martin Samuel discussed it in his latest article:

MARTIN SAMUEL on the Emmanuel Adebayor debate: The hypocrites are in the stands | Mail Online

I quite liked that, 'was a well written piece.

 

[Acker79]

I quite liked that, 'was a well written piece.

I think martin samuel is one of the best football writers out there.

 

[Gwylan]

Sorry for being a pedant

I wasn't being sarky...I was genuinely grateful. I always like finding out new things

 

[sten_super]

I wasn't being sarky...I was genuinely grateful. I always like finding out new things

The Henry thing is an oft-repeated myth - generally by Arsenal fans trying to say how fantastic Arsene Wenger is. It's one of those odd things that you remember; back in 1998(?) I remember Man Utd playing Monaco and Clive Tyldesly bigging up Thierry Henry as being ace and the top scorer in the competition; only for his unknown 17 year old strike partner David Trezegeut to score a blinder from 30 years to earn them a draw at Old Trafford.

 

[SICKASAGULL]

i THOUGHT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS FORUM WAS THAT EVERYONE COULD MAKE A COMMENT EITHER BACKING OR DISAGREEING,go ahead Uncle Spielberg you have the floor!!!!!!!!!

 

[NMH]

i THOUGHT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS FORUM WAS THAT EVERYONE COULD MAKE A COMMENT EITHER BACKING OR DISAGREEING,go ahead Uncle Spielberg you have the floor!!!!!!!!!

He may have the floor, but it's probably slippery around him - from the vomit he evokes from those nearby.

 

[sam86]

Can I just say, this thread has been a bloody good read.

Thank you.