Adam 'the Liability' Virgo

[turienzo's lovechild]

Agreed, if he called and Virgo heard it.

Vice versa, as a keeper if you have called for a ball and it looks like a player hasn't heard, but WILL comfortably clear it, do you still try and bundle him out of the way to get YOUR ball?

I think we're best leave it as f***ing shambles!

well, once kuipers had come out that far he had no option other than to go for the ball

but yes

SHAMBLES

and a shambles that cost us the game really

 

[BensGrandad]

Kuipers should never have come for the ball as Virgo would easily have kicked it away.

I put it down to Kuipers 100%

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

Kuipers should never have come for the ball as Virgo would easily have kicked it away.

I put it down to Kuipers 100%

to be honest, it TOTALLY depends on whether kuipers claimed the ball

if he did (which i suspect he did given his reaction), then virgo is at fault, as he got in his way

if he didn't, then kuipers is at fault, as he got in virgo's way

 

[BensGrandad]

Virgo was shaping to clear the ball into the stands and was knocked out of the way by Kuipers. As the commentator said Virgo had an outstanding game in the 2nd half he was the lynchpin of our defence. I wish people would get off of his back.

 

[ack]

Virgo played a blinding 2nd half and threw himself in the way of shots and passes on many occasions, only those close enough to hear will ever know if Kuipers/Virgo called loud enough before the cock up.
To say it cost us the game is a bit harsh just looking at the final score, as Luton out passed and played us for most of the 1st half.

 

[Tooting Gull]

That mistake is one of the single most embarrassing things I can recall in 30 years of watching the Albion. The fact that it came live on TV against the worst team in the league in the first minute of a game we were desperate to win just encapsulated the entire season.

And to those blaming Kuipers - if you've played the game, as a defender you take responsibility in that situation. If you can clear it, then do, and have the row afterwards.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

if anyone, especially, your keeper, claims the ball- you leave it

not get in their way

What the f*** is our goalkeeper doing out if his eighteen yard box when he has one his defenders there to sort out the problem already?

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

to be honest, it TOTALLY depends on whether kuipers claimed the ball

if he did (which i suspect he did given his reaction), then virgo is at fault, as he got in his way

if he didn't, then kuipers is at fault, as he got in virgo's way

Kuipers should not have been there in the first place, there was no need to come out of his eighteen yard box. Virgo had the ball covered.
This is not the first time that Kuipers has done this.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

That mistake is one of the single most embarrassing things I can recall in 30 years of watching the Albion. The fact that it came live on TV against the worst team in the league in the first minute of a game we were desperate to win just encapsulated the entire season.

And to those blaming Kuipers - if you've played the game, as a defender you take responsibility in that situation. If you can clear it, then do, and have the row afterwards.

Kuipers is not a defender is he, he is a goalkeeper and Virgo (a defender) was nearer to the ball so had the right to clear it, not the goalkeeper rushing out of his eighteen yard box!

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

regardless of whether kuipers was 'supposed' to be outside of his box or not (he was only just outside, so to describe it as 'rushing out' is a tad unfair) if, as a defender, you hear you keeper claiming the ball- ESPECIALLY IF YOU KNOW HE'S COME A LONG WAY- you get the f*** out of the way

infact if any of your team mates claims the ball, you get out of the way....it's a simple rule to follow

this is, of course, assuming that kuipers DID claim the ball, which, judging his reaction, he did

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

regardless of whether kuipers was 'supposed' to be outside of his box or not (he was only just outside, so to describe it as 'rushing out' is a tad unfair) if, as a defender, you hear you keeper claiming the ball- ESPECIALLY IF YOU KNOW HE'S COME A LONG WAY- you get the f*** out of the way

infact if any of your team mates claims the ball, you get out of the way....it's a simple rule to follow

this is, of course, assuming that kuipers DID claim the ball, which, judging his reaction, he did

Yes very true if you hear a team mate claiming the ball you should leave them to deal with it. The problem I have got is that Kuipers if he has called for the ball shouldn't be doing it when one of his defenders (Virgo) is able to deal with the situation better himself.
As I said before this is not the first time that Kuipers has though he is a sweeper when it was totally unneccesary.

 

[chalkmycue]

Whos at fault?

I can see it from both sides in Kuipers defence Virgo has made no attempt to kick it more really to shepard it through therfore virgo is at fault as if hes leaving it to kuipers he should have let kuipers reach it.

But for virgos defence he has played in defence for the last 4 weeks plus with sullivan as goal keeper who i think would have been there sooner.

Tricky one though the sending off was the crucial thing 1-1 at half time with all 11 on the pitch i would feel quite confident of the win, it was a booking at worst and a terrible decision i am un biased with penaltys sending offs etc and this one was a joke 100% sure it will be turned over on appeal which is great for Livermores suspension but doesnt console the supporters, players and staff who were hoping to be going to wembley not to mention the likely departure of Mickey Adams.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Virgo did do well in the second half, but he had the first half from hell. The first minute fiasco was the highlight, but I counted four occasions when he went in to tackle off his feet, giving the player with the ball time to go round him. Again and again the man with the ball went past him. And when he had the ball he rarely made use of it.

Virgo is not a bad player - he isn't - but his confidence has gone and he's being played all over the park. When Micky has gone maybe the new manager will stick him in one position and let him get his confidence back.

 

[dougdeep]

Virgo was shaping to clear the ball into the stands and was knocked out of the way by Kuipers. As the commentator said Virgo had an outstanding game in the 2nd half he was the lynchpin of our defence. I wish people would get off of his back.

But it's ok for you to get on Kuipers' back?

 

[Bald Gull]

Virgo was definitely to blame for the goal and was poor in the first half. I thought he (and the rest of the defence) was fantastic in the second half and showed the passion and heart that will be needed if we are going to stay up this season.

 

[JJ McClure]

Both to blame for the goal. Virgo simply shouldn't have been in the way once Kuipers was commited, that said once he had made the choice Kuipers should have made sure that he took the ball, Virgo, the attacker and anything else in his path rather than pretty much missing the ball completely.

 

[keaton]

Only a biased idiot would clame the goal was Virgo's fault and not Kuipers

 

[RM-Taylor]

Only a biased idiot would clame the goal was Virgo's fault and not Kuipers

No not at all.

If your 'keeper shouts you to leave the ball as he's got it, but you don't listen to him, and it costs the team a goal within one minute of arguably the most important game within recent years, then you have to be blamed.

Virgo can't play right-back
Virgo makes to many mistakes at centre-back
Virgo can't play right-midfield
Virgo can't play in central midfield
When required Virgo can be a presence up-front, and when we are chasing games he is useful (Cheltenham away), so therefore I think he should only be used once every so often when we are chasing games.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

and it costs the team a goal within one minute of arguably the most important game within recent years,.

Whats that got to do with it? We're talking about the goal itself, not its relevance.

Am I the only person who saw that Kuipers knocked Virgo off the ball? I don't care who called for it and who's ball it should have been - that was the reason it wasn't cleared, and I don't think thats acceptable.

 

[RM-Taylor]

Whats that got to do with it? We're talking about the goal itself, not its relevance.

Am I the only person who saw that Kuipers knocked Virgo off the ball? I don't care who called for it and who's ball it should have been - that was the reason it wasn't cleared, and I don't think thats acceptable.

It was a shambles as you have said on the previous page, but if a goalkeeper is rushing out of his area to claim something then you should leave it down to the goalkeeper. I can see where you're coming from though with him knocking Virgo out of the way, but in all honesty Virgo should have got the ball away before hand, before Kuipers was about to clear it.