Absolutely ridiculous - 100 number roulette in William Hill

[Uncle Spielberg]

Maximum pay out per spin is £500

yes, you said £ 5000.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

Yep, I forgot max spin rules. Although they may have been changed. If they stop selling fags and banned FOBT this country would shut down.

 

[Durlston]

Yep, I forgot max spin rules. Although they may have been changed. If they stop selling fags and banned FOBT this country would shut down.

I get all my cigarettes imported from Spain or Poland and tell the bookies to hurry up and empty the roulette machines after my football and snooker wagers.

 

[Prince Monolulu]

My benefactor from Nigeria asked if I might invest some of my $17,500,000 inheritance through such machines. I will get a cheque soon.

 

[mwrpoole]

Fixed return machines are great for money laundering, stand there for hours pumping your ill gotten gains in and you're guaranteed to get x % back as clean money with a receipt showing it was winnings.

This is a great article explaining just how to do it, money laundering that is:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/08/gambling-machines-drug-money-laundering-bookies

 

[hitony]

My benefactor from Nigeria asked if I might invest some of my $17,500,000 inheritance through such machines. I will get a cheque soon.

It would seem we both had the good sense to get involved in this, what a nice guy that man is from Nigeria! I'm checking the post everyday as I am waiting on my cheque to arrive, it should be here soon, what a great investment it was

 

[Moshe Gariani]

This is a great article explaining just how to do it, money laundering that is:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/08/gambling-machines-drug-money-laundering-bookies

I hope @Justice doesn't see that as he'll probably think £20 on black, £20 on red and £2 on zero is a winning system...

 

[EDS]

I hope @Justice doesn't see that as he'll probably think £20 on black, £20 on red and £2 on zero is a winning system...

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I hope @Justice doesn't see that as he'll probably think £20 on black, £20 on red and £2 on zero is a winning system...

It could be though. 10 spins £ 420 outlay, 0 comes in twice, returns £ 464.

 

[hitony]

It could be though. 10 spins £ 420 outlay, 0 comes in twice, returns £ 464.

"Odds" and "Probability" are the relevant words, NOT "Could" there are many a poor gambler walking about whose favourite words are "Could" "If" and "Nearly"

Trust me, I am a Manager of a Betting Shop

 

[WATFORD zero]

I put in my £1.50 change and hit star I think, won a tenner and cashed out.

It's funny that everyone who admits to playing these, always puts in a couple of quid, wins and walks away. It makes me wonder why the shops have them ?

 

[father_and_son]

They are rigged, they are bent. Don't touch them.

And dog/horse racing isn't

They run off independently checked random number generators and therefore are completely unpredictable. 25 spins without a win is statistically possible, just as 12 consecutive winning spins is also possible - just rare. However the psychology of gambling means you only remember the extreme events, not the 100 or so spins of entirely "expected" results.


The main difference between the terminals and playing in house - for roulette - is that it is truly random, whereas the "real" machines are only calibrated at the beginning of every shift and therefore can go fractionally out of alignment, croupiers get tired and lazy in their spins and so "predictability" gradually creeps in. [Although you have to be bloody good to spot the predictable elements].

For blackjack the terminals have a *massive* advantage over a real game because the terminals are effectively shuffling after EVERY hand, whereas the casino will run a [typically] 6-deck shoe which allows for a certain amount of card counting.



As with all gambling, if it were just about the mathematics it wouldn't exist as an "entertainment" industry - the psychology is considerably more important than the mathematics. The reason that they like to change the games is because it introduces elements that the good gamblers haven't yet accounted for in their "systems" and so puts them off their game. In the casinos the additional elements are about removing the snobbery from the table... play blackjack in a casino, sitting at the final box and listen to the tuts when you draw a card on 13/14 against the banker's 6... then you know why the casinos want to make the games different so that beginners aren't put off!

 

[dougdeep]

I put in my £1.50 change and hit star I think, won a tenner and cashed out.

Of course you did.

 

[happypig]

I have had runs of 25 losing spins in a row covering 12 numbers many times when I played them. The machine will ALWAYS find a number you have not got and then double, treble or more that number before moving onto another number you have not got and then doing the same. They are rigged, they are bent. Don't touch them.

They aren't rigged or bent, they don't need to be.
They rely on 2 things :
1. Due to the odds, over a long period they only pay a percentage of what is put in.
2. People playing them believing they can beat the laws of mathematics.

There will always be people like HBB who drops in a quid and goes out with a few quid profit, but the majority who play them put more in than they get out.

 

[hitony]

They aren't rigged or bent, they don't need to be.
They rely on 2 things :
1. Due to the odds, over a long period they only pay a percentage of what is put in.
2. People playing them believing they can beat the laws of mathematics.

There will always be people like HBB who drops in a quid and goes out with a few quid profit, but the majority who play them put more in than they get out.

SPOT ON!!!!

 

[hitony]

And dog/horse racing isn't

They run off independently checked random number generators and therefore are completely unpredictable. 25 spins without a win is statistically possible, just as 12 consecutive winning spins is also possible - just rare. However the psychology of gambling means you only remember the extreme events, not the 100 or so spins of entirely "expected" results.


The main difference between the terminals and playing in house - for roulette - is that it is truly random, whereas the "real" machines are only calibrated at the beginning of every shift and therefore can go fractionally out of alignment, croupiers get tired and lazy in their spins and so "predictability" gradually creeps in. [Although you have to be bloody good to spot the predictable elements].

For blackjack the terminals have a *massive* advantage over a real game because the terminals are effectively shuffling after EVERY hand, whereas the casino will run a [typically] 6-deck shoe which allows for a certain amount of card counting.



As with all gambling, if it were just about the mathematics it wouldn't exist as an "entertainment" industry - the psychology is considerably more important than the mathematics. The reason that they like to change the games is because it introduces elements that the good gamblers haven't yet accounted for in their "systems" and so puts them off their game. In the casinos the additional elements are about removing the snobbery from the table... play blackjack in a casino, sitting at the final box and listen to the tuts when you draw a card on 13/14 against the banker's 6... then you know why the casinos want to make the games different so that beginners aren't put off!

I must say, a very sensible and factual post on the subject clearly the poster knows what he is on about IMO.

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

They won't have to pay it out as it won't happen. My best advice on these raping machines is to back 13 and nothing else as it will come in more times than any other number and that is because the programmers knowing it is a number few will back have rigged it to come in more times than any other by a long way.

I have had runs of 25 losing spins in a row covering 12 numbers many times when I played them. The machine will ALWAYS find a number you have not got and then double, treble or more that number before moving onto another number you have not got and then doing the same. They are rigged, they are bent. Don't touch them.

Based on your solid gambling advice you must have missed number 13.

Never mind US, Justice's roulette guru will have a winning system in no time. We will all be laughing and drinking strawberry daiquiris in the Bahamas before you know it.

 

[Napper]

anyone who plays a fixed odds game of chance with a house advantage for money has something wrong with them.

off of the top of my head it could be

a) they are stupid
b) they are desperate
c) they are drunk and thought it was a phone box
d) they are money laundering (this only applies to playing in a casino with cash)
e) they have no knowledge of maths
f) they are bored .......... and deservedly so if they can't think of anything better to do
g) any combination of the above

I know a smashing old fella who claims to have a 'system' for roulette. He spends most of his retirement skint. From time to time I stick a fiver on his electricity so he can turn on the heating for a bit.

incorrect.

If you are not addicted then no harm in putting odd tenner in as can catch it right

 

[Vegas Seagull]

And dog/horse racing isn't

They run off independently checked random number generators and therefore are completely unpredictable. 25 spins without a win is statistically possible, just as 12 consecutive winning spins is also possible - just rare. However the psychology of gambling means you only remember the extreme events, not the 100 or so spins of entirely "expected" results.


The main difference between the terminals and playing in house - for roulette - is that it is truly random, whereas the "real" machines are only calibrated at the beginning of every shift and therefore can go fractionally out of alignment, croupiers get tired and lazy in their spins and so "predictability" gradually creeps in. [Although you have to be bloody good to spot the predictable elements].

For blackjack the terminals have a *massive* advantage over a real game because the terminals are effectively shuffling after EVERY hand, whereas the casino will run a [typically] 6-deck shoe which allows for a certain amount of card counting.



As with all gambling, if it were just about the mathematics it wouldn't exist as an "entertainment" industry - the psychology is considerably more important than the mathematics. The reason that they like to change the games is because it introduces elements that the good gamblers haven't yet accounted for in their "systems" and so puts them off their game. In the casinos the additional elements are about removing the snobbery from the table... play blackjack in a casino, sitting at the final box and listen to the tuts when you draw a card on 13/14 against the banker's 6... then you know why the casinos want to make the games different so that beginners aren't put off!

Incorrect re Blackjack, 6 deck games in casinos are cut 50, 75 or 100 cards from the bottom deliberately rendering card counting statistically useless

 

[Vegas Seagull]

anyone who plays a fixed odds game of chance with a house advantage for money has something wrong with them.

off of the top of my head it could be

a) they are stupid
b) they are desperate
c) they are drunk and thought it was a phone box
d) they are money laundering (this only applies to playing in a casino with cash)
e) they have no knowledge of maths
f) they are bored .......... and deservedly so if they can't think of anything better to do
g) any combination of the above

I know a smashing old fella who claims to have a 'system' for roulette. He spends most of his retirement skint. From time to time I stick a fiver on his electricity so he can turn on the heating for a bit.

A fun night at a casino or sitting in my lounge looking at Newhaven incinerator?