[Albion] A captain's fury.

[*Gullsworth*]

Ultimately they will say VAR ruled that Burn was offside so the goal was disallowed. It wasnt the refs original decision but they will say he was overruled and agreed after looking at the monitor. (Did he?)

 

[darkwolf666]

As I stated above, that's impossible to prove without a video with an audio wave form underneath. If so, we need to see it.

You do need to separate the performance, missed penalties against the decision. That will go down as one of the worst pieces of referring in the modern game and people will talk about it for years.

A referee has applied discretion at the taking of a free kick, there is NOTHING in the rules regarding the goalkeeper being ready. After applying discretion (and let's be clear that involved telling Dunk he could take the free kick, walking back and THEN blowing his whistle ) he then decides to change his mind

Soon after (realising his absolute **** up), VAR gets involved desperately trying to check whether the complete erroneous second whistle (which had no material effect on the goal) took place before or after the ball hit the net.

You'd need to see a peak in a wave form against the flight of the ball. You cannot tell from the videos available as yet. Hopefully the BBC have something like that tonight.

If the ball had crossed the line, or it's unclear then both the VAR referee and Mason need to be suspended.

This was on a par with the infamous Clive Thomas disallowed Brazil goal, at least Thomas had the guts to stand up and defend his decision.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/24/world-cup-stunning-moments-clive-thomas-denies-zico-and-brazil

 

[Springal]

Ultimately they will say VAR ruled that Burn was offside so the goal was disallowed. It wasnt the reds decision but they will say he was overruled.

I wasn’t even going to go there but I reckon if they’d gone to the next step both Burn & Maupay were offside and I think Maupay moved towards keepers eye line ...

 

[jessiejames]

We retook it, because he blew again to stop the game. Like I say, the ball hadn’t gone in so it is irrelevant.

It is extremely poor refereeing, but letter of the law it is correct.

So when Man Utd won a penalty against us after the final whistle why was that allowed to stand, I know your gonna say the handball happen before the final whistle, today he blows for no goal because the goalkeeper is not ready, he wasn't ready when the ref blew the whistle to take the free kick.

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

All this is clutching at straws. Not good enough (ie clinical) on the day.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Despite not being a Brighton fan, VAR should have sent off Mason for simulation.

Thanks.

Now do us a favour and get a big win tomorrow!

 

[Bodian]

We retook it, because he blew again to stop the game. Like I say, the ball hadn’t gone in so it is irrelevant.

It is extremely poor refereeing, but letter of the law it is correct.

But doesn't the law talk about blowing the whistle for an infringement? There was no infringement of the 'laws' - so how was it correct?

Ultimately they will say VAR ruled that Burn was offside so the goal was disallowed. It wasnt the refs original decision but they will say he was overruled and agreed after looking at the monitor. (Did he?)

No - it wasn't ruled offside. If it had been ruled out for offside, the game would have restarted with a free-kick to West Brom.

 

[Springal]

So when Man Utd won a penalty against us after the final whistle why was that allowed to stand, I know your gonna say the handball happen before the final whistle, today he blows for no goal because the goalkeeper is not ready, he wasn't ready when the ref blew the whistle to take the free kick.

You’re right. Because VAR gave a handball when play was still live / in play.

The official quote from PGMOL is ‘infringement in the wall’ - but it’s irrelevant really, for whatever reason

 

[jessiejames]

It does though because he blew it.

IF the ball had crossed the line, he could have changed his mind about the second whistle, but it hadn’t

I’ve done my referee course - run by EFL ref Tim Robinson about 10 years ago and today reminded me of one bit of advice he gave - if you are going to blow your whistle make sure you know why you are and what the impact is on the current situation of play. And if you give a quick free kick you go with it

Mark Halsey on the radio tonight said that a ref once he blows for the kick to be taken he can only blow again for an infringement. He said that there was no infringement so the goal should have been awarded.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

We retook it, because he blew again to stop the game. Like I say, the ball hadn’t gone in so it is irrelevant.

It is extremely poor refereeing, but letter of the law it is correct.

Are you saying that Dunk asked if he could take it, he said yes and blew his whistle,Dunk took it straight away and the ref actually changed his mind a blew again all before the ball crossed the line.
I'm not having that.
I have no idea what the second whistle was for and as you rightly say, he should have stuck with his original decision.
West Brom not being ready has got nothing to do with it.

 

[Bodian]

You’re right. Because VAR gave a handball when play was still live / in play.

The official quote from PGMOL is ‘infringement in the wall’ - but it’s irrelevant really, for whatever reason

What infringement in the wall? If it had been a Brighton player too close, etc, then would the game not have restarted with a West Brom free-kick?

Anyway - where do PGMOL say this? Sky News has...

 

[clapham_gull]

The official quote from PGMOL is ‘infringement in the wall’ - but it’s irrelevant really, for whatever reason

From today ?

Nonsense, Sky quoted them as:

The referee blows the whistle, sees the keeper isn't ready, blows it again... and because the ball hadn't crossed the line, VAR can intervene. He tells the ref that it hadn't gone in, and so they restarted with the free-kick.

Since when did a referee blow a whistle for "goalkeeper not ready" ?..

.. after blowing a whistle for a free kick to be taken ?

Is that a new rule or are PGMOL (and Mason) making it up as they go along.

According to a West Brom defender "The ref blew his whistle, he said, to speak to someone in the wall, there was a bit of pushing."

So which is it ?

He clearly needs removing from top level refereeing.

 

[Driver8]

Link? The one I saw on Sky the ball was only just about the six yard box when he blew

They showed it loads of times during the match. The whistle went just before it hit the back of the net.

The ref ****ed up and used VAR to get out of it. No surprise when Hoops is on VAR as he is a useless **** too.

 

[1066familyman]

As I stated above, that's impossible to prove without a video with an audio wave form underneath. If so, we need to see it.

You do need to separate the performance, missed penalties against the decision. That will go down as one of the worst pieces of referring in the modern game and people will talk about it for years.

A referee has applied discretion at the taking of a free kick, there is NOTHING in the rules regarding the goalkeeper being ready. After applying discretion (and let's be clear that involved telling Dunk he could take the free kick, walking back and THEN blowing his whistle ) he then decides to change his mind

Soon after (realising his absolute **** up), VAR gets involved desperately trying to check whether the complete erroneous second whistle (which had no material effect on the goal) took place before or after the ball hit the net.

You'd need to see a peak in a wave form against the flight of the ball. You cannot tell from the videos available as yet. Hopefully the BBC have something like that tonight.

If the ball had crossed the line, or it's unclear then both the VAR referee and Mason need to be suspended.

Furthermore, Mason then digs himself an even deeper hole having realised his massive mistake.

See his gestures to Dunk with the whistle pointing before the retake. I think he even blows it about THREE times before he lets Dunk take it, as if to say....'I'm the ref and can blow my whistle as often as I like'. Very odd behaviour.

It's quite embarrassing to watch.

And then the instant blowing for the second penalty, which looked a bit soft to be honest. I bet he's so relieved to be able to give that decision, and probably gutted that we missed it.

 

[jessiejames]

A law change is needed, why do we have to have a whistle to take a free kick. A lot of free kicks are because defenders break up an attack, taking one for the team. Any advantage the attacking team has is then taken away from them, allowing defenders to get back.
If you want to take a quick free kick you should be allowed to.

 

[Springal]

They showed it loads of times during the match. The whistle went just before it hit the back of the net.

The ref ****ed up and used VAR to get out of it. No surprise when Hoops is on VAR as he is a useless **** too.

But Mason gave the goal [emoji2375] the replay on the sky app shows the whistle being blown a second time when it’s around tbr six yard box

 

[Driver8]

Furthermore, Mason then digs himself an even deeper hole having realised his massive mistake.

See his gestures to Dunk with the whistle pointing before the retake. I think he even blows it about THREE times before he lets Dunk take it, as if to say....'I'm the ref and can blow my whistle as often as I like'. Very odd behaviour.

It's quite embarrassing to watch.

And then the instant blowing for the second penalty, which looked a bit soft to be honest. I bet he's so relieved to be able to give that decision, and probably gutted that we missed it.

I think he had to blow the whistle three times as Dunk was making a point by not taking it.

 

[Mr Putdown]

As an outsider looking in, I’d say you were mugged on Monday and robbed on Saturday.

 

[Springal]

A law change is needed, why do we have to have a whistle to take a free kick. A lot of free kicks are because defenders break up an attack, taking one for the team. Any advantage the attacking team has is then taken away from them, allowing defenders to get back.
If you want to take a quick free kick you should be allowed to.

You don’t need a whistle, you can verbally allow a quick free kick. But the fact he did blow, then blow again means the game was stopped

 

[Driver8]

But Mason gave the goal [emoji2375] the replay on the sky app shows the whistle being blown a second time when it’s around tbr six yard box

Not immediately he didn’t. Bet he was pleading with Hooper to find a reason to disallow it.

Let’s see if MOTD proves it one way or another. If it’s proved to be illegal we should ask for a replay.