[Albion] A captain's fury.

[Lindfield by the Pond]

You can hold their feet to the fire without it being a rant. I'd far prefer that than the usual suck-teeth shrug.

I hate the suck-teeth.

 

[darkwolf666]

Mason gave us the goal. VAR overruled it.

Or did Big Sam intimidate VAR ?

Don’t let a simple thing like facts get in the way of those moaning that we don’t have Atilla the Hun in charge of our team!

 

[Springal]

But he could of stuck with his decision to award a goal

Var advised for the ref in the Spurs game to not allow Lamptey goal but he still did

No he couldn’t. The ball hadn’t crossed the line, when he blew for the second time. There was no goal

 

[jessiejames]

Assuming the second whistle did go before the ball crossed the line then the law of the game was followed

The second whistle was For what?
Because a ref makes a mistake, he can not then blow again to rectify it. He can only blow for an infringement.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Their argument was that the ball had not crossed the line before the 2nd whistle , i have listened loads of times , and imho the ball didn`t just cross the line it rippled the net before the 2nd whistle .

ps : What is a 2nd whistle ? ....apart from an excuse to bail out a ref !

This is the bit I just don't understand, even if the ball had not crossed the line, what was the 2nd whistle for, Ref said we can take it and blew the whistle, the fact that West Brom were not ready has got nothing to do with it, they winged and refused to re start then got there own way in the end.
If the ball had crossed the line as some are saying then that is even worse.
And Mason will be protected and Dunk fined.
The whole thing stinks and,especially after Monday I really feel for the players tonight, how much more can they take of this totally bizzare season.
The penalties and missed chances are a totally different subject, can't believe that so many are totally slagging off the team and manager tonight, as Brighton fans we should all get behind them tonight in the face of this total farce and leave their thoughts for another day, fans of other clubs would but not us.

 

[jessiejames]

I thought I read somewhere (can't find link), that the official reason given as to why he blew his whistle the second time, is because he sees their keeper isn't ready.

That is not an infringement, and so not a reason to blow the whistle. So whether the second whistle goes before or after the ball is in the back of the net is irrelevant really. Unless a valid reason can be given for the second whistle, then the VAR decision is clearly wrong.

Correct. It doesn't matter about The second whistle.

 

[Springal]

The second whistle was For what?
Because a ref makes a mistake, he can not then blow again to rectify it. He can only blow for an infringement.

Well that bit we are unlikely to know - but like I say technically the game had been stopped by that point

 

[Springal]

Correct. It doesn't matter about The second whistle.

It does though because he blew it.

IF the ball had crossed the line, he could have changed his mind about the second whistle, but it hadn’t

I’ve done my referee course - run by EFL ref Tim Robinson about 10 years ago and today reminded me of one bit of advice he gave - if you are going to blow your whistle make sure you know why you are and what the impact is on the current situation of play. And if you give a quick free kick you go with it

 

[1066familyman]

‘Reasons’ don’t come into it though. The facts are he blew once, then blew again. The ball hadn’t crossed the line so there was nothing that could be done.

Yes, I accept VAR is following the letter of the law, IF they believe the second whistle went before the ball crossed the line. But surely they now have a duty to explain WHY the second whistle was blown.
I thought I read the official response was.... 'Because the keeper wasn't ready'. If that's the case, that is not a valid reason, and surely further explanation is then required.

 

[Springal]

Yes, I accept VAR is following the letter of the law, IF they believe the second whistle went before the ball crossed the line. But surely they now have a duty to explain WHY the second whistle was blown.
I thought I read the official response was.... 'Because the keeper wasn't ready'. If that's the case, that is not a valid reason, and surely further explanation is then required.

That’s a case for Lee Mason in his report. But it still has no impact on whether the goal could have been given or not. No doubt we will get a crappy explanation , he will be taken off PL games for a bit and then all forgotten about

 

[Mr Putdown]

Despite not being a Brighton fan, VAR should have sent off Mason for simulation.

 

[jessiejames]

Well that bit we are unlikely to know - but like I say technically the game had been stopped by that point

But we do know, he blew the second time because he had made a mistake. This is why the free kick was retaken, he can not blow for a free kick to be taken the realise that the goalkeeper wasn't ready then blow again to try to rectify the mistake. There needs to e an infringement for him to stop the game.

 

[clapham_gull]

No he couldn’t. The ball hadn’t crossed the line, when he blew for the second time. There was no goal

As I stated above, that's impossible to prove without a video with an audio wave form underneath. If so, we need to see it.

You do need to separate the performance, missed penalties against the decision. That will go down as one of the worst pieces of referring in the modern game and people will talk about it for years.

A referee has applied discretion at the taking of a free kick, there is NOTHING in the rules regarding the goalkeeper being ready. After applying discretion (and let's be clear that involved telling Dunk he could take the free kick, walking back and THEN blowing his whistle ) he then decides to change his mind

Soon after (realising his absolute **** up), VAR gets involved desperately trying to check whether the complete erroneous second whistle (which had no material effect on the goal) took place before or after the ball hit the net.

You'd need to see a peak in a wave form against the flight of the ball. You cannot tell from the videos available as yet. Hopefully the BBC have something like that tonight.

If the ball had crossed the line, or it's unclear then both the VAR referee and Mason need to be suspended.

 

[Bodian]

Is it a 'clear and obvious error' in that Mason blew his whistle because he thought West Brom were ready when they weren't? Is that what it really is?

 

[Springal]

But we do know, he blew the second time because he had made a mistake. This is why the free kick was retaken, he can not blow for a free kick to be taken the realise that the goalkeeper wasn't ready then blow again to try to rectify the mistake. There needs to e an infringement for him to stop the game.

We retook it, because he blew again to stop the game. Like I say, the ball hadn’t gone in so it is irrelevant.

It is extremely poor refereeing, but letter of the law it is correct.

 

[darkwolf666]

It does though because he blew it.

IF the ball had crossed the line, he could have changed his mind about the second whistle, but it hadn’t

I’ve done my referee course - run by EFL ref Tim Robinson about 10 years ago and today reminded me of one bit of advice he gave - if you are going to blow your whistle make sure you know why you are and what the impact is on the current situation of play. And if you give a quick free kick you go with it

Yep, 100% this. - I’ve reffed too and can’t believe what played out here.

Mason clearly stepped aside and let Dunk take a quick kick - all this nonsense about the keeper being “ready” is just that, nonsense.

The ref bottled it, having ****ed up - inexcusable!

 

[Driver8]

No he couldn’t. The ball hadn’t crossed the line, when he blew for the second time. There was no goal

Every reply I saw says the opposite.

 

[Springal]

As I stated above, that's impossible to prove without a video with an audio wave form underneath. If so, we need to see it.

You do need to separate the performance, missed penalties against the decision. That will go down as one of the worst pieces of referring in the modern game and people will talk about it for years.

A referee has applied discretion at the taking of a free kick, there is NOTHING in the rules regarding the goalkeeper being ready. After applying discretion (and let's be clear that involved telling Dunk he could take the free kick, walking back and THEN blowing his whistle ) he then decides to change his mind

Soon after (realising his absolute **** up), VAR gets involved desperately trying to check whether the complete erroneous second whistle (which had no material effect on the goal) took place before or after the ball hit the net.

You'd need to see a peak in a wave form against the flight of the ball. You cannot tell from the videos available as yet. Hopefully the BBC have something like that tonight.

Yes agree with all of that. It is extremely poor refereeing, but in terms of laws of the game, there was no goal so it couldn’t be given

 

[Springal]

Every reply I saw says the opposite.

Link? The one I saw on Sky the ball was only just about the six yard box when he blew

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Every time I've watched the replay the second whistle went after the ball had gone in the goal. If not it was so close to call, and with that no time what so ever to do anything about it. It making up the laws, real crap.