8 car trains for Falmer?

[wellquickwoody]

LB, do you ever get annoyed by the constant stream of rules? The club will have to do a TMP, the club will have to pay for parking meters etc., ESCC wardens on Woodingdean/Falmer Road, tow away squads etc.?

Perhaps once the stadium has been opened for 6 months we will all have a better idea of how things will progress and adapted our behavior accordingly.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

LB, do you ever get annoyed by the constant stream of rules? The club will have to do a TMP, the club will have to pay for parking meters etc., ESCC wardens on Woodingdean/Falmer Road, tow away squads etc.?

Perhaps once the stadium has been opened for 6 months we will all have a better idea of how things will progress and adapted our behavior accordingly.

I see what you mean, but - to be honest - I get far more annoyed by the selfishness of motorists than I do by the rules that are there to curb our behaviour.

I work in Brighton, I sometimes shop in Brighton, I have a social life that sometimes takes me to Brighton, I watch football in Brighton.

I usually travel in by public transport, because it is cheaper and more convenient for me to do so. It also avoids cluttering up the streets with my car. When I drive into Brighton, I expect to pay through the nose because my car journey is inconveniencing everyone else. But I know that I am in a small minority, thinking that it is right to have to pay £12 to park for three hours in Church Street.

 

[Lewes' best seagull]

This has to go down as one of the dullest threads on NSC ever.

8 pages.

 

[Gwylan]

Almost certainly. And if, by then, onstreet parking HAS become an issue in Coldean and Moulsecoomb, the Club would probably have to fund the introduction of metered parking ...

No chance of that happening - there's plenty of parking space in Coldean. We did get a letter from the Old Bill this week warning that they were set to take action against residents who were getting shirty at not being able to park in from of their house. But there's plenty of parking around. I expect that there will be large numbers of people opting to park around here once the stadium is built.

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

No amount of money can achieve platform lengthening at Lewes.

Lewes - Google Maps

Doesn't selective door opening cover for that Ed, or do the 313s not have that on them?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

It's not a problem to load and unload passengers from over-long trains at the short platforms at Lewes. The problem arises if you want to terminate a long-train journey from Brighton at Lewes and then run the train back towards Brighton. The only way this can be done is to run the train (in an easterly direction) beyond the short platform to where it will have to sit across other tracks that are used by other trains (including the London main line). That causes delays to those other trains.

Lengthening the platforms isn't an option, because the Brighton line platforms are squeezed between the London line and the tight gap created by the Mountfield Road bridge.

The image on this link shows how the tracks join at Lewes. Terminating and turning eight car trains would overlap the junction at the bottom of the picture. It is also clear that there is no space to lengthen the Brighton line platforms (the two on the left of the picture), because of the junction:-

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[West Hoathly Seagull]

I am still struggling to understand - given our long documented history on fans using sustainable transport, etc, etc, - that a mutli million pound flyover and junction project is both approved and funded, but someone forgets to talk to the rail company whose station is right next door to the new stadium ?

That's the problem though. It isn't just one company to deal with, as Network Rail run the tracks and Southern the trains. While I am a Tory, I am quite prepared to admit that privatisation of the railways was easily the worst policy of the last Tory government. In BR's day, they would have got hold of a load of clapped out old coaches (okay in Falmer's case that couldn't happen), but I am thinking of things like the London to Brighton bike ride, for which I'm sure BR used to do that. BR in many ways were far more enterprising than the companies today are.

 

[BensGrandad]

I was told this evening by a train driver that it is not a problem to run an 8 carriage train to and from Falmer as there are ample points and direction changing areas just outside of Falmer.

I do not know who to believe.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I was told this evening by a train driver that it is not a problem to run an 8 carriage train to and from Falmer as there are ample points and direction changing areas just outside of Falmer.

I do not know who to believe.

I'd be inclined to believe the signalman who posts here.

 

[Hunting 784561]

That's the problem though. It isn't just one company to deal with, as Network Rail run the tracks and Southern the trains. While I am a Tory, I am quite prepared to admit that privatisation of the railways was easily the worst policy of the last Tory government. In BR's day, they would have got hold of a load of clapped out old coaches (okay in Falmer's case that couldn't happen), but I am thinking of things like the London to Brighton bike ride, for which I'm sure BR used to do that. BR in many ways were far more enterprising than the companies today are.

Ask the B&H bus company to do something and they tend to agree, as they are enterprising and entrepreneurial, whereas ask the rail companie(s) to do anything, and they are downright obstructive.

As I said earlier, we only ever hear the reasons why things cant be done...

Take your point - but still not sure I'd want BR back though !

 

[Ernest]

I was told this evening by a train driver that it is not a problem to run an 8 carriage train to and from Falmer as there are ample points and direction changing areas just outside of Falmer.

I do not know who to believe.

There used to be, but not anymore and it will be impossible to use if it was reinstated due to the signal constraints.
Why doesn't anyone listen ? Only LB knows and he has told you many times

 

[Ernest]

Ask the B&H bus company to do something and they tend to agree, as they are enterprising and entrepreneurial, whereas ask the rail companie(s) to do anything, and they are downright obstructive.

As I said earlier, we only ever hear the reasons why things cant be done...

Take your point - but still not sure I'd want BR back though !

Brighton and Hove Buses and Southern Railway are the same company

 

[British Bulldog]

I was told this evening by a train driver that it is not a problem to run an 8 carriage train to and from Falmer as there are ample points and direction changing areas just outside of Falmer.

I do not know who to believe.

I can assure you there are no turn round facilities at Falmer and any old pointwork that might still exist there was signed out of use years ago, I'm guessing the driver you spoke to was either long retired or has'nt signed for that route.

 

[Hunting 784561]

Brighton and Hove Buses and Southern Railway are the same company

but what about Network Rail, who organise the track - they're not, are they ?

 

[BensGrandad]

I can assure you there are no turn round facilities at Falmer and any old pointwork that might still exist there was signed out of use years ago, I'm guessing the driver you spoke to was either long retired or has'nt signed for that route.

He is an old boy, but then so am I, and as we all know time moves on , laws change and equipment gets decommisssioned so if you are currently involved in it you , Ernest and Lord B would probably know best. Perhaps we should all listen to you 3 and hope that it is sorted.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

It's not too bad going from Brighton to Falmer as there is a signal at London road that shortens the section a bit going that way, It's coming back where you've got the problem. All it would take is the installation of 1 signal between Falmer and Brighton to cut the section time in half and you automatically create extra pathways for additional trains.

I know you work on the railways, but I don't know what your actual job is so you may not be able to answer this questions!

How much it cost for the work you described to be carried out?
How long would it take to carry out the work?

 

[Ernest]

I know you work on the railways, but I don't know what your actual job is so you may not be able to answer this questions!

How much it cost for the work you described to be carried out?
How long would it take to carry out the work?

It would cost millions and as for priorities would be so far down the list it would never happen.
What you have regarding railway facilities between Falmer and Brighton is what you will have when the ground opens and that as they say is that.

 

[British Bulldog]

I know you work on the railways, but I don't know what your actual job is so you may not be able to answer this questions!

How much it cost for the work you described to be carried out?
How long would it take to carry out the work?

I would'nt like to put a price on it but the work itself would take a number of months to go through the preperation and planning stage but once thats done the switch over could be done overnight. As for my job i'm a signalman and part of the area I control is the Brighton to Falmer line.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I would'nt like to put a price on it but the work itself would take a number of months to go through the preperation and planning stage but once thats done the switch over could be done overnight. As for my job i'm a signalman and part of the area I control is the Brighton to Falmer line.

Thank you BB and Ernest. Although there seems to be a slight oddity to what you are both saying.

Ernest is saying the work to introduce a new signal between Falmer and Brighton would cost millions, and BB is saying that once the few months of preperation and planning work that is required to carry out this work is completed, it will only take overnight to come online.

Even as a layman I can't see the work that BB mentions would cost millions of pounds.

 

[Ernest]

Thank you BB and Ernest. Although there seems to be a slight oddity to what you are both saying.

Ernest is saying the work to introduce a new signal between Falmer and Brighton would cost millions, and BB is saying that once the few months of preperation and planning work that is required to carry out this work is completed, it will only take overnight to come online.

Even as a layman I can't see the work that BB mentions would cost millions of pounds.

I was talking about the crossover at Falmer, but despite what everyone hopes I can't see any work being done until we got into the Premiership then of course the work could be justified.