6 years since the London Bombings

[dingodan]

There is a world of difference between demolition using explosives and demolition using mechanical plant. Kingstar do not and have never used explosives.

That was not what you were claiming was false. Brunswick said demolition. You said rubbish. And you claim to be an owner of multiple companies including Kingstar but I can only trust that that is true.

If what you meant was, they never deal in explosives, Ok. But that is not what you said. That's all.

But I'm not saying the van is important, I have not seen any reason to think that it is.

Brunswick I just started watching that 7-7 ripple effect, I have not seen it before, thanks for posting. I found the panorama program a year before very interesting, had not heard about that. Also didnt realise that Peter Power is a former Senior Officer of the Met. He is no small fries it seems:

- He authored UK Govt. (DTI) booklet ‘Preventing Chaos in a Crisis' and the British Bankers Association guide on Crisis Management.
- He sits on the British Standards Institute/Cabinet Office working party on Crisis Management.
- He was a member of the IPPR Resilience subgroup within the UK Security Review Commission.
- He is a Fellow of the Chartered Management Institute, Fellow of the Emergency Planning Society, Fellow of the Business Continuity Institute and Fellow of the institute of Risk Management.
- He is also as a member of the Guild of Freemen of the City of London.

What luck he was conducting a mock exercise of the exact same attacks, at the exact same time that they happened eh?

If anyone has not watched this, keep an open mind and judge for yourself.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

That was not what you were claiming was false. Brunswick said demolition. You said rubbish. And you claim to be an owner of multiple companies including Kingstar but I can only trust that that is true.

If what you meant was, they never deal in explosives, Ok. But that is not what you said. That's all.

But I'm not saying the van is important, I have not seen any reason to think that it is.

My comment was made with reference to the comments made in the video at 35 min. Members of my staff have been verbally abused over the telephone, on numerous occasions since this video was first aired, by various gullible nutjobs who are only too willing to believe anything they are told, hence my strong feelings on the issue. And, yes, for your information, I am an owner of a group of companies.

 

[Lord Bamber]

contempt to information one has yet to digest has a word.....ignorance.

Who says I have not yet had time to digest the "information" if indeed you can call it that.

You know, normally on here I keep myself to myself, without getting involved in squabbles that involve 2 intransigent parties who refuse to give any ground. But for you I will make an exeption. In the many years (do not let a low post count deceive you into thinking I have not been reading this forum for some time) I have never felt the need to react to a poster in the way I feel about what you have done today. Hove B&B has started a thread to mark the inhumane, pointless slaughter of innocent lives. Now you can sit on whatever side of the "conspiracy/coincidence" fence that you want, but to highjack that for you own agenda is below reprehensible. I am normally a fairly easy going bloke. I have seen enough avoidable death and suffering in my life whilst in the army to last a lifetime, and I wish to see no more. I was working in London on that day, and I saw the shattered lives of many involved. Now whatever you agenda, have some f***ing decency and respect those who died.

End of rant. Brian Potter signing off.

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RIP to those who lost their lives.

Guys, leave him to his conspiracy theories. Respect those who arent here anymore, give thoughts to those whose pain might still remain. Dont give him the attention.

 

[dingodan]

My comment was made with reference to the comments made in the video at 35 min. Members of my staff have been verbally abused over the telephone, on numerous occasions since this video was first aired, by various gullible nutjobs who are only too willing to believe anything they are told, hence my strong feelings on the issue. And, yes, for your information, I am an owner of a group of companies.

All it claims as fact, is that Kingstar specialise in Controlled Demolition. As the google search result states, they do.

But pointing out that they do not deal in explosives is useful, thanks. I personally see little significance in the van, bit of a red herring imo.

 

[dingodan]

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RIP to those who lost their lives.

Guys, leave him to his conspiracy theories. Respect those who arent here anymore, give thoughts to those whose pain might still remain. Dont give him the attention.

I have sympathy with the poster. But I do think that "decency" & respect for those who died, is embodied in the pursuit of justice.

If, for whatever reason, some people feel adequately convinced that the parties responsible for these deaths are still at large, it is nothing but in service to them that people continue to ask questions and seek answers.

This is never, ever meant to be disprespectful to those who lost thier lives that day.

 

[Lord Bamber]

I have sympathy with the poster. But I do think that "decency" & respect for those who died, is embodied in the pursuit of justice.

If, for whatever reason, some people feel adequately convinced that the parties responsible for these deaths are still at large, it is nothing but in service to them that people continue to ask questions and seek answers.

This is never, ever meant to be disprespectful to those who lost thier lives that day.

Fair play but I feel, this thread should be used for respect. Use another thread to pursue justice would be my thoughts.

Ill leave this thread now having paid my respects.

 

[brunswick]

i still do not understand how looking for the truths and presenting holes in the official story is deemed disrespectful....even the families do not believe the official story and are looking for the truth via a public enquiry. They want to ask MI5 some questions.

telegraph report from today.

so, i ask you to go to these families and tell them they are being disrespectful. respect is so someone can Rest In Peace, and it is hard to do that when stones are left unturned. The families asking the questions are showing massive respect for the deceased.

 

[beorhthelm]

As I said above, I do not think Peter Power thought he was taking part in a cover exercise for a terrorist attack. I think he thought he was taking part in a training exercise. Tbh I think he would still consider it a coincidence. He has, however, never disclosed who he was conducting the exercise for, he has never named the company unfortunately.

this is one of the first symptoms that we have a conspiracy: deepen and broaden the narrative. so Peter Power is now an unwitting pawn to explain away the obvious problem that he was open about carrying out the exercises.

an official report with dicrepencies needs to be re-looked at and re-published - surely.

yes it jolly well should be. i recall it was with the then home secretary making a statement to that effect.

err, no there are not.

the conspiracy draws heavily on the "fact" the bombers could not have been in London in time. if we accept the 7:40 was cancelled, there is still the fact that trains ran that meant they could have been there on time. theres hundreds if not thousands of witness to this, those on the train, the rail staff, those seeing the train pass. therefore it is still possible for the bombers to be in London in time. there are also the small matter CCTV footage of them at King Cross early enough and witnesses of them on the tubes. no doubt these are false in the conspiracy narrative.

much press is located here (safe haven), and close to city airport....pretty obvious to me. ...
The Canary Wharf (i am theorising now) i would say they "possibly" got to london late, thought they were taking part in a drill, heard the bombs had actually really gone off, got scared - and run for canary wharf - where they were shot as the press stated that day.

press isnt based in Canary Wharf to my knowledge, and City airport is way past on the DLR. its not remotly obvious as a safe option. if i thought i was being fitted up, i'd have got right back on the train back. and theres a basic problem with this hypothesis: at the time they wouldnt have heard that bombs had gone off, the media was reporting it as an electrical problem. it wasnt untill after the bus that this was clearly not the case. wouldnt you play along, think its part of the scenario if you were "part of the drill"? just what time did they turn up in London and how much of the tube network was shut down by then? interested to review the archives for the timing of the reported shooting in Canary Wharf, to see if that trip was even possible - i would take you half an hour if your lucky.

The above is a theory, but has no bearing on the overriding facts that present 7/7 was an inside job (drills, bus route, the accused bombers profiles, post the bus bomb area, the train blast, cctv, mossad, isreali news, elite agenda, who was to benefit etc etc etc).

no, you do not have "overriding facts". you have a sequence of questions, circumstantial evidence and hypothetical scenarios born from preconcieved views.

this is the other symptom of the conspiracy theory: over elaborate narrative. every little detail, anomoly and coincidence is thrown in to the story.

if one were to say that the four bombers had been recruited by agency Y and targeted London for reason X, with the Peter Powers exercise thrown in as a suspicious coincidence (because of course it is highly suspicious at first sight), then one could say yeah, thats pretty wierd, theres something more to this.

but no, we have to include demolition company van seen at the site of an explosion (already dealt with im sure you agree), the significance of the slogan on the bus (900 busses carried that advert). we have to have the bombers not actually carrying out the actions, but other agents, while they are innocent and have to be bumped off somehow (creating a new sub plot). the explosions were upwards, based on one account of a dazed and stunned victim (while countless others to the contrary are ignored). anything that supports the theory is placed under the microscope, anything that doesn't match is ignored (witnesses who saw the bombers) or woven into the tapestry as deliberate mis-direction (witnesses and CCTV). we're all sheep if we dont see whats in front of our eyes! and finally, the jews are involved.

well, this has been cathartic, see you again next year?

 

[Falkor]

i still do not understand how looking for the truths and presenting holes in the official story is deemed disrespectful....even the families do not believe the official story and are looking for the truth via a public enquiry. They want to ask MI5 some questions.

telegraph report from today.

so, i ask you to go to these families and tell them they are being disrespectful. respect is so someone can Rest In Peace, and it is hard to do that when stones are left unturned. The families asking the questions are showing massive respect for the deceased.

its dated the 20th May 2009

 

[Westdene Seagull]

i still do not understand how looking for the truths and presenting holes in the official story is deemed disrespectful....even the families do not believe the official story and are looking for the truth via a public enquiry. They want to ask MI5 some questions.

telegraph report from today.

so, i ask you to go to these families and tell them they are being disrespectful. respect is so someone can Rest In Peace, and it is hard to do that when stones are left unturned. The families asking the questions are showing massive respect for the deceased.

Looking for truths and holes is fine. That video presents assumption as fact and provides not one shred of provable evidence for it's wild claims. Only a fruit loop would take it as a serious challenge to the official line.

 

[dingodan]

this is one of the first symptoms that we have a conspiracy: deepen and broaden the narrative. so Peter Power is now an unwitting pawn to explain away the obvious problem that he was open about carrying out the exercises.

I never said he was anything other than an unwitting pawn.

Maybe he knew. Maybe he didnt. I dont know. I have no way of knowing.

What I know is that his drill matched exactly the events that happened on the day. The places and the times. I want to know who decided on the places and times for the drill. But he's not talking.

You seem to fancy yourself as rational and logical. But you are not seeing the wood for the trees.

You believe that his drill and the events of that day are a coincidence? That defys logic and reason. The most likely explanation, particularly with the number of matching variables involved, is that there is a relationship between the drill and the events.

The chances of the two being unrelated? You're the smart one, you tell me.

 

[dingodan]

That video presents assumption as fact and provides not one shred of provable evidence for it's wild claims. Only a fruit loop would take it as a serious challenge to the official line.

Intelligent, well thought out, logical argument.



Is lacking from your post.

 

[bn1&bn3 Albion]

Anyone else felt like the voice over in the documentary was talking to you as if you were a 10 year old?

Also It is very disrespectful to post this sort of rubbish on a thread that was intended to give tribute to those who lost their loved ones.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Intelligent, well thought out, logical argument.



Is lacking from your post.

There are soooooooo many holes in the arguments in the video that I'd be here all week typing them out.

 

[dingodan]

Anyone else felt like the voice over in the documentary was talking to you as if you were a 10 year old?

Also It is very disrespectful to post this sort of rubbish on a thread that was intended to give tribute to those who lost their loved ones.

we dealt with the "disrespect thing".

Personally I dont know all the people who died that day. I recon you probably dont etha. I would imagine that they would not consider it disrespectful to investigate the circumstances of their murder.

They might consider it disrespectful to tell people investigating the circumstances of their murder to shut up about it.

I want to know the truth, and I am damn sure they would if they were here too.

 

[Falkor]

this thread is sick tbh, we come on here to respect the dead, and we have to put up with shit from 2 posters.

f*** off and start ya own thread about conspiracy theories, see how many post ya get instead of trolling this one.

 

[dingodan]

we come on here to respect the dead

As do we all.

We may have different ways of expressing our respect for those who lost their lives, but nobody here is interested in disrespecting them.

The victims of 7/7 are not offended by our posts. You are. Dont use the victims of 7/7 to defend your attacks on us. Because that is disrespectful.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

You can stick your conspiracy theories up your arse. Don't you think the families and friends have been through enough without having borderline psychopaths looking into every minute detail and finding a 'clever little theory'?

 

[Titanic]

I never said he was anything other than an unwitting pawn.

Maybe he knew. Maybe he didnt. I dont know. I have no way of knowing.

What I know is that his drill matched exactly the events that happened on the day. The places and the times. I want to know who decided on the places and times for the drill. But he's not talking.

You seem to fancy yourself as rational and logical. But you are not seeing the wood for the trees.

You believe that his drill and the events of that day are a coincidence? That defys logic and reason. The most likely explanation, particularly with the number of matching variables involved, is that there is a relationship between the drill and the events.

The chances of the two being unrelated? You're the smart one, you tell me.

As it was his job to run these drills for companies, how many days that week, month or year was he actually running these scenarios?

 

[dingodan]

You can stick your conspiracy theories up your arse. Don't you think the families and friends have been through enough without having borderline psychopaths looking into every minute detail and finding a 'clever little theory'?

If you asked them you might find that they too have looked into every minute detail. Because their friend or a member of their family was murdered.

You might also find that they, having looked at the details, have many questions and some suspicions about what happened. As do we.

Tbh I had you down as a more level headed person that this post suggests.