[News] 2030 and Electric cars.

[GOM]

one obvious issue is not everyone has a driveway to park and charge on. they may not have a space outside their house at all, and rely on public charging points. of course if we are expecting EV to coincide with restricting vehicles, this may not be a problem.

But you asked about charging it on your own property.
Then I will re-phrase the answer for you...What's the problem with a car being parked overnight not on your property charging while you sleep/watch TV or whatever your favourite pastime might be. Cars are unused for over 90% of their life, might as well take advantage of that time, and have a full 'tank' every morning. On street parking is increasing at pace, unfortunately it's difficult to install a few million in a week, but it will get there, maybe by 2035, or even 2055ish when the last of the fossil burners start to fade away.

 

[Bakero]

Interesting piece by Rowan Atkisnon on Electric cars

I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped | Rowan Atkinson

Sadly, keeping your old petrol car may be better than buying an EV, says actor Rowan Atkinson

www.theguardian.com

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...wan-atkinson-is-wrong-about-electric-vehicles

"In a widely shared comment piece for the Guardian, comedian Rowan Atkinson said he felt “duped” by the green claims about electric vehicles (EVs).

In support of his contention, however, Atkinson repeats a series of repeatedly debunked talking points, often used by those seeking to delay action on the climate crisis......."

 

[GOM]

synthetic fuel has a cost issue. if you can do so with 100% certifiable green energy and get the cost low enough, the trade off is worth it. as i read it, if we cut duties its already commercially viable. question then is the agenda to make vehicles green, make us move to EV, or make us move out of vehicles altogether?

It certainly does have a cost issue, but that's only 1 of the several issues. Worth watching this, it's only 7 minutes long and quite entertaining in a factual way.

 

[Stat Brother]

I think this is something that does have to change. I’d rather have a 5 offences and permanently out for minor offences, and a 2 yellow cards equals a permanent red for more major offences.

The idea that driving is a sacrosanct right should end. I do think the penalty for repeated nobbery on the roads should be exclusion from being able to use them.

You have to work just as hard to get a shotgun license as you do a car license.

Would there be an outcry if a legal shotgun owner had 5 near misses before they did finally shoot someone dead, if they were to then get their gun license back 6 years later?

 

[Stat Brother]

one obvious issue is not everyone has a driveway to park and charge on. they may not have a space outside their house at all, and rely on public charging points. of course if we are expecting EV to coincide with restricting vehicles, this may not be a problem.

Or not as the case maybe.

You can always pavement (nice grass verge) park and run a massive trip hazard across the pavement.

#Car-Is-King.

 

[chickens]

You have to work just as hard to get a shotgun license as you do a car license.

Would there be an outcry if a legal shotgun owner had 5 near misses before they did finally shoot someone dead, if they were to then get their gun license back 6 years later?

That’s not a strictly fair comparison is it?

 

[Stat Brother]

Cobalt is being phased out of EV batteries, as is nickel. Possibly the most common replacement now are LFP batteries, these don't contain either cobalt or Nickel. The cobalt used in EV batteries is also recyclable and can be reused in the manufacture of new batteries later.

The same cannot be said for the cobalt used in oil refining which cannot be recycled.

Don't forget that cobalt use isn't just for EV batteries, it's also used for Superalloys, which are used to make parts for gas turbine engines, which are another major use for cobalt. Cobalt is also used to make airbags in automobiles; catalysts for the petroleum and chemical industries; cemented carbides (also called hardmetals) and diamond tools; corrosion- and wear-resistant alloys; drying agents for paints, varnishes, and inks; dyes and pigments; ground coats for porcelain enamels; high-speed steels; magnetic recording media; magnets; and steel-belted radial tires.

So there is no need to demonise EVs with cobalt usage, ICE vehicles depend on it too for components and their fuel.

It's a shame we don't get to the phasing out stage before increasing demand by a bazillion %.

I appreciate that's not really how innovation works, but we've been here for what 10 - 20 years already, the horse bolted so long ago it's just about ready to return to its stable.

I don't have a problem with EV cars - my issue is always with cars and the fact we, in this country, are given very little option but to use them.

 

[Stat Brother]

That’s not a strictly fair comparison is it?

Tell that to the family of the women killed by the fella with 5 previous speeding offences and was killed on his 6th offence.

It was only a few weeks ago, and we'll all be sharing the car with him before this decade is over.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Driving was a choice, not something that needed to be done.

Of course people are free to make the choices they see fit. However, they should perhaps consider how it affects other people and the planet too.

The problem, as I see it, is that for many the car is the default option. I was the same when back when I owned one.

It is a choice, but the person making the journey considered it a necessary choice.

 

[worthingseagull123]

I find it hard to believe single occupancy transport will reduce when refueling is as easy as plugging in a lamp.

So many people stuck in traffic unaware of they fact they are traffic.

Single occupany car transport wont reduce.

Increasing numbers or people live alone, people travel greater distances for work.

 

[Bakero]

It is a choice, but the person making the journey considered it a necessary choice.

What you want to do and what you need to do aren't the same.

 

[folkestonesgull]

7000 miles in my EV since October. No problem. Charge at work 90% of the time.

 

[worthingseagull123]

What you want to do and what you need to do aren't the same.

True. But we all decide what we need at the end of the day.

My need to get from A to B as quckly, comfortably and practically as possibly, outweighs you wanting me to do the journey via alternative means of tranport

 

[worthingseagull123]

7000 miles in my EV since October. No problem. Charge at work 90% of the time.

Nice.

How much was your EV?

 

[chickens]

Tell that to the family of the women killed by the fella with 5 previous speeding offences and was killed on his 6th offence.

It was only a few weeks ago, and we'll all be sharing the car with him before this decade is over.

I’m sorry, but if we based travel policy on “any form of transport on which nobody’s been killed by a twat” then we wouldn’t be cycling, driving, flying, using a boat or even walking.

Cars driven badly, or in drink/drugs, or in anger, are potentially absolutely lethal, but cars also largely enable modern society.

Yes to weeding out the idiots, yes to massive investment in and subsidy of public transport, no to punishing law-abiding drivers when they don’t have a reliable, cheap, safe, alternative. If you’re lucky enough to enjoy cycling and live close enough to work to cycle, I’m happy for you, but don’t assume that’s the case for everyone, and what suits you is a prescription for the world.

 

[Bakero]

True. But we all decide what we need at the end of the day.

My need to get from A to B as quckly, comfortably and practically as possibly, outweighs you wanting me to do the journey via alternative means of tranport

Sorry Worthing, I'm seizing your car. Citizens may now only use government provided electric vehicles, with which you can make 5 journeys of under 10 miles, and 2 journeys of up to 20 miles per year. All other trips must be done on foot, by bicycle or on public transport.

It may take the great British public a while to get used to the new regulations but it's for your own good.

 

[Horses Arse]

You only have to look at the sentencing laws and how they're implemented, around driving offences, to see driving is pretty much our guaranteed birth right.

Like guns in the US. There's nothing else that mobilises the British quite like impacting their right to drive.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Sorry Worthing, I'm seizing your car. Citizens may now only use government provided electric vehicles, with which you can make 5 journeys of under 10 miles, and 2 journeys of up to 20 miles per year. All other trips must be done on foot, by bicycle or on public transport.

It may take the great British public a while to get used to the new regulations but it's for your own good.

I suspect many supporters of Extinction Rebellion and Stop Oil have a fantasy about such a thing.

 

[Horses Arse]

The thing is some people really get off on all this hand wringing over car driving. Here we go this weeks top three from me - enjoy

3 If petrol is so expensive why are more people choosing to drive around in pick up trucks? Had the joy of following one into Lidl last weekend and then having to listen to her moan to him about the queues, just to buy vodka.

2 Farming Today on R4 this morning, covering a farmer driving from Lands End to John O'Groats in a Combine Harvester for Charity. I would like to wish him a big sponsored F'Off from one end of the UK and another one when he gets to the other end.

1 https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...chester-news/man-who-mowed-down-girl-27061704 - a years ban is nowhere near long enough to contemplate the consequences of his actions.

Pick ups are a work vehicle. As a Ltd company the cost of the pick up and everything associated with it offsets corp tax, vat etc. All the while with 5 seats for the familly. That is why, it makes financial sense.

 

[Horses Arse]

It is a choice, but the person making the journey considered it a necessary choice.

Necessary because they didn't fancy walking?

Laziness like that also burdens the nhs