[Other Sport] *** 2024 Autumn Budget Official Thread ***

[jcdenton08]

Have caribuo in Norway with a cloudberry sauce, very nice.

Cloudberries are absolutely minging! I had them in Tromsø once and it was like a party in my mouth, and everyone was puking.

 

[chip]

That's deliberately manipulating my response (and you know it). You also know that in the EU we were unable to stop the export of livestock or the import of various animal products. I didn't suggest people were force fed like geese, rather that we can now ban imports of low animal welfare products. I have quite a good understanding of the laws in this area thank you. I was only trying to suggest a positive of leaving the EU. People who treat animals badly also tend to do the same to people, just a thought.

To educate you:

There have been a number of campaigns against live animal exports for slaughter on welfare grounds; and concern about cases such as that of 40 sheep that were euthanised in 2012 at the Port of Ramsgate following transport problems. In the case that followed the High Court ruled that the Port could not ban live animal exports, on the grounds of freedom of movement within the EU and existing UK legislation.

From https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8031/

Enjoy the match!

 

[Cotton Socks]

I am apocalyptic with rage about this budget!
My Jnr is going to get another pay rise ffs, if Jnr 2 takes on an 3rd year apprenticeship after 2 years of college it won't seem quite so pointless, as that hourly rate has been raised as well!!
Jnr 1 might be able to afford to go into a pub occasionally & do his bit for the hospitality industry. I'm going to demand that Jnr 1 gives me £2.20 every time I buy some vape liquid as that's going towards his pay rise.
As for the extra tax when I use my private jet to go on holiday to a private island, I'm going to have to reconsider my plans & look at a all inc holiday with Tui instead. B**tards

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That's deliberately manipulating my response (and you know it). You also know that in the EU we were unable to stop the export of livestock or the import of various animal products. I didn't suggest people were force fed like geese, rather that we can now ban imports of low animal welfare products. I have quite a good understanding of the laws in this area thank you. I was only trying to suggest a positive of leaving the EU. People who treat animals badly also tend to do the same to people, just a thought.

No it isn't.

The question was are there any benefits of Brexit. You said (with my reply below):

Your reply was '

And I am telling you that you are talking nonsense

If the Brits choose to export live animals to Europe (or indeed import them) that is because the Brits want to do so and it is allowed under British law (and EU law). If the Brits wanted to block export f live animals they could have done so.

Nobody is being FORCED to do anything.

Bullfighting is legal in Spain. That doesn't mean that when we were in the EU we were FORCRD to export bulls to Spain for fighting.

And we were discussing pivotal benefits justifying Brexit. Did you actually voted Leave in order to stop Brits being forced to export live animals? I'm lost for words.

 

[A1X]

Jeremy Clarkson is whinging because he isn’t getting his way for once.

Nature is healing.

 

[jordanseagull]

Jeremy Clarkson is whinging because he isn’t getting his way for once.

Nature is healing.

What he’s ‘moaning’ about has no impact on him at all. He’s completely right about what he’s saying re the impact on farmers today. It’s a woeful policy. We should be backing British farming to the hilt.

 

[beorhthelm]

looks like quite alot of the fear in run-up was exaggerated. unless you're a small business, which will feel the pain of the lower NI threashold.

much being made about £40bn raise, though after the headline Employers NI i dont see the tax rises to cover half of this amount. are they exaggerating that too?

 

[dazzer6666]

looks like quite alot of the fear in run-up was exaggerated. unless you're a small business, which will feel the pain of the lower NI threashold.

much being made about £40bn raise, though after the headline Employers NI i dont see the tax rises to cover half of this amount. are they exaggerating that too?

Deliberate fearmongering to lessen the actual noise when it landed. Simple tactic.

 

[BadFish]

By charging.

There is no equivalent to the NHS.

How do you mean Harry, I thought lots of countries have free health care?

I have been patched up after several football injuries over the last few years without charge here is good old Australia.

 

[vegster]

What he’s ‘moaning’ about has no impact on him at all. He’s completely right about what he’s saying re the impact on farmers today. It’s a woeful policy. We should be backing British farming to the hilt.

You should say that to the big 4 supermarket chains that drive down farmers prices in order to maximise their profits.

 

[jordanseagull]

You should say that to the big 4 supermarket chains that drive down farmers prices in order to maximise their profits.

Why can’t you be saying it to both?

Celebrating Clarkson ‘not getting his way’ on this issue is utterly infantile. Makes no difference to his fortune. Makes a huge difference to the fortunes of farmers who, as you’ve already pointed out, are being shat on from various directions.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

How do you mean Harry, I thought lots of countries have free health care?

I have been patched up after several football injuries over the last few years without charge here is good old Australia.

I was patched up in Canada too. But I paid for health insurance. It was cheap for me at the time (as a student) but this is an optional payment that, without paying results in loss of on-demand healthcare.

No countries have free health care. Some have state run insurance (I think Germany does this). Others are private insurance only (USA) with some charity bits and bobs depending on area. Even in the UK arguably it is not 'free' as 'working people' pay for it out of their earning related taxes*.

*Which probably defines a working person.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

To educate you:

There have been a number of campaigns against live animal exports for slaughter on welfare grounds; and concern about cases such as that of 40 sheep that were euthanised in 2012 at the Port of Ramsgate following transport problems. In the case that followed the High Court ruled that the Port could not ban live animal exports, on the grounds of freedom of movement within the EU and existing UK legislation.

From https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8031/

Enjoy the match!

I hate to break the news to you but you have just lectured yourself:

And you continue to appear to have lost the plot.

We. Did. Not. Get. A. Brexit. Win. From. Being. Released. From. An. EU. Obligation. To. Export. Live. Animals.
We. Have. Always. Had. The. Power. To. Block. That.
If. We. wanted. To. Do. So.
Apparently. We. Didn't. Care.
And. Didn't. Bother.

So. Your. One. And. Only. Brexit. 'Win'. Is. Bollocks.

 

[HillBarnTillIDie]

Not a great outcome for you, however I would question the financial standing of a company that changes recruitment policy off the back of a 2% employer NI rise, in the long run this may be a blessing

Good luck anyway

No… you’re wrong.

So many firms in the construction industries are operating on such tight margins. Finding decent labour is difficult with the best people asking for higher rates. Material costs have been going through the roof. To win a job you have to be competitively priced whilst having to negotiate expectations where a-lot of people are unsure if going through with projects right now is the right thing to do.

That 2% could be, and will be the final straw for an already under pressure employer.

The only thing that will come out of this is the prices for work will go up.

 

[BadFish]

I was patched up in Canada too. But I paid for health insurance. It was cheap for me at the time (as a student) but this is an optional payment that, without paying results in loss of on-demand healthcare.

No countries have free health care. Some have state run insurance (I think Germany does this). Others are private insurance only (USA) with some charity bits and bobs depending on area. Even in the UK arguably it is not 'free' as 'working people' pay for it out of their earning related taxes*.

*Which probably defines a working person.

I see what you mean, yes we pay for Medicare though our taxes but it is free at the point of need.

And we also have health insurance for those that want it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I see what you mean, yes we pay for Medicare though our taxes but it is free at the point of need.

And we also have health insurance for those that want it.

Indeed.

So the UK is the only country where you can be living on the streets, get run over, or get an infection, and you will be treated with no charge and no questions asked.

This of course opens the door to a discussion about NHS tourism - people flying in on Concord to have their baby on the NHS, etc. This is an irrelevantly tiny less-than-0.1% of NHS costs, and bringing in red tape to block any fraud (as the Tories have done to an extent) spends money to save less money.

Personally I like the Canada (and other places - Australia maybe) systems.

But Brits are too feeble to deal with change.

Any suggestion and there will be a queue of gammons, complaining that their alcoholic mum is too befuddled to work out how to claim for her health insurance waiver (there will be waivers) and "I paid my taxes and now my NHS right are being taken orf me" moaning from Daily Mail readers.

Going back to the budget, it was quite a feat today for the Chancellor to navigate between the 'gimme gimme' voices and the 'don't tax me to subsidize the scum' voices.

Time the English grew up. Maybe we may start to do so soon, and then we may be able to have actual serious conversations about issues. Not holding my breath though.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Tax and spend, lies and broken trust - this must be historically the worse budget in living history

The markets disagree with you.

Compare to the real worst budget in living history, the one from your woman Truss, and your comment seems inane. Complete ****ing chaos in the markets caused by Tory scum.

 

[BrightonCottager]

Whilst raising bus fares, not the right thing to do IMHO

I've just found the Private Eye article I read about this and the OBR said that ending the 5p fuel duty cut and raising it with inflation would raise £4.9b per year from 2024 to 2029. Even the RAC were in favour of it, because suppliers are fleecing us (as the Competition and Markets Authority have found). The fuel duty freeze benefits rich drivers of gas guzzlers who drive furthest more than poorer, more frugal drivers while rail and bus fares go up. It's economically, environmentally & equitably illiterate.

 

[jcdenton08]

 

[chip]

I hate to break the news to you but you have just lectured yourself:

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And you continue to appear to have lost the plot.

We. Did. Not. Get. A. Brexit. Win. From. Being. Released. From. An. EU. Obligation. To. Export. Live. Animals.
We. Have. Always. Had. The. Power. To. Block. That.
If. We. wanted. To. Do. So.
Apparently. We. Didn't. Care.
And. Didn't. Bother.

So. Your. One. And. Only. Brexit. 'Win'. Is. Bollocks.

While the UK was in the EU we could not ban the export of live animals, that was the part I highlighted. Freedom of movement meant that we did not have the power to block the shipment of animals from Ramsgate.

When we left the EU, we were able to introduce a law in May this year that banned the export of live animals for slaughter overseas.

Thus, it is reasonable to say we were forced to allow the export of live animals. When Ramsgate challenged this the High Court ruled they could not ban the export of animals.

To me that is a benefit of leaving the EU.

From the government, I've highlighted the KEY WORDS: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/export-of-live-animals-banned

A new ban on exporting live animals came into law today (Monday 20 May) as the Animal Welfare (Livestock Exports) Act received Royal Assent, capitalising on a post-Brexit freedoms and bolstering the UK’s position as a world leader in animal welfare standards.


The legislation delivers on a key manifesto commitment to ban the export of live animals including cattle, sheep, and pigs for slaughter and fattening from Great Britain.


It is only possible now the UK has left the European Union, and will stop animals enduring stress, exhaustion and injury on long and unnecessary export journeys.


The Act will ensure that animals are slaughtered domestically in high welfare UK slaughterhouses, reinforcing our position as a nation of animal lovers and a world leader on animal welfare, boosting the value of British meat and helping to grow the economy.