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[Politics] 2020 US election - Joe Biden vs Donald Trump
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- Nov 11, 2009
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This is truly unbelievable. And this is what the BS the Trumpians are consuming. Massively irresponsible
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6207573071001#sp=show-clips
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6207573071001#sp=show-clips
MTSeagulls
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- Sep 18, 2019
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I don't usually get involved in political threads but like most normal people I am very happy it looks like Trump will be gone.
I am also happy that Doug Collins lost his race for the Senate as he came across as an arrogant a-hole during the impeachment trials.
I am also happy that Doug Collins lost his race for the Senate as he came across as an arrogant a-hole during the impeachment trials.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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Yeah horrendously partisan, but what is the truth here?
Why are observers not allowed in?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Wasn't that long ago they were the best of friends...
“It is not acceptable for a big, loud New York bully to attack my wife. It is not acceptable for him to make insults, to send nasty tweets—and I don’t know what he does late at night, but he tends to do these at about 11:30 at night, I assume when his fear is at the highest point,” Cruz said on March 24. “I don’t get angry often. But you mess with my wife, you mess with my kids, that’ll do it every time. Donald, you’re a sniveling coward. Leave Heidi the hell alone.”
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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One thing I would agree with Republicans on is they need to come up with a better system. If you allow postal votes, and they take time, you need to factor that in and process a lot, a lot, quicker. It plays into Trumps hands, the anger mounts by the minute and if it takes 2-4 days after the rest of the country has been counted, and it’s also happens to be the swing states that matter are always last to be counted, then that’s a lot of unnecessary anger you’ve caused and subsequently then need to deal with.
It’s sort of VAR in slow motion!
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
There is absolutely no evidence that observers have been prevented from going in. It is a spurious claim with no evidence.
Your question shouldn't be framed 'why are observers not allowed in?', it should be framed 'has there been any evidence that observers haven't been allowed in?'
They were drunk and carrying assault rifles, perhaps, and it was considered they weren't really safe to let in - perhaps? Just a thought.
Rodney Thomas
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If I am not mistaken, there is literally an observer shown in that very video.
Edit: 57 seconds in, lady in the green jumped, behind the yellow ticker tape. Got to be an observer?
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Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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Ok thanks.
Not really keeping up with all this and on the face of it, it sounded suspect.
A great example of how effective misinformation is for the casual observer.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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they are. Cruz is just lying to whip up an issue. he mentions legal case won by the Republicans that observers must be allowed at 6 feet distance from counts. the case was that they were being kept further back, not that they were allowed in. if there is cases of observers being excluded, they should and have taken it to court.
its also notable there is the same two or three incidents repeated, on which its implied there are wholesale transgressions, and the vote is therefore illegitimate. there have been a handful of issues, probably standard for a large litigious country, which have been dealt with at local courts.
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Rodney Thomas
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They tried to account for this, and change the law to allow postal/absentee votes to be counted earlier than usual. The laws were blocked by..... Republicans
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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I think I heard somewhere that these states were prevented from starting the count early by Republicans.
Allegedly a deliberate tactic to create a situation where Trump would be well in the lead and then for it to appear that postal ballots were not reflecting the previous voting pattern.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Its BS, I read the fact checker thing. There was always monitors from both sides in Philadelphia. Their rules and law state that both sides must register a poll observer before election and hey must be affiliated to a party or candidate. Both parties did that and both have had observers all the time. Their is also public webcam 24/7.
One issue - and a video put out by Trump campaign was 1 bloke who tried to get in and was turned away as he didn't have the right ID. The trump campaign posted this video but none of the follow up - It was cleared up, he was vouched for and let in (that is not mentioned on the Trump side). He was 1 legally qualified observer, who mistakenly was stopped for 10 minutes.
The second issue (that Ted Cruz and Hannity refer too) the BS that ALL observers blocked (the registered from both sides are always in there), Trump supporters (as it starts going more for Biden) started demanding to go in and they were refused. They are not registered in advance of the election as is Pensylvania law.
All those guff is them trying to make a mountain out of nothing.
As a reporter stated correctly imho. Trump spouts wild conspiracy theories and lies, then others set about trying to try and turn the falsehoods into some alternative truth.
Trump said in his rant last night, this was all happening in democrat states, thats BS. Georgia has just flipped and is totally Republican controlled, with a republican govenor, as does Arizona and Nevada.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Indeed, in fact the argument was more about how close the observers were being allowed to the count... and when they said that their observers weren't being allowed in there were in fact 19 of them!
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-la...lt-philadelphia-count-without-gop-observers-1
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2...o-resume-shortly-after-compromise-negotiated/
Just crazy.
Weststander
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Sore losers trying to piss on the Democrats win.
Block out that noise, relax, lap this up.
Block out that noise, relax, lap this up.
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Trump went to court for observers to be allowed in. This is how it was reported by The Guardian...........
'The Trump campaign’s strategy on Thursday was built around a claim that its observers in the city were not being given adequate access to observe the count. Even though observers from both parties have been given access to the convention center, the Trump campaign complained its observers had not been able to get close enough. It secured a court order Thursday morning allowing observers to get up to six feet of workers counting.
Pam Bondi, the former Florida attorney general, and Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s former campaign manager, appeared in front of the convention center throughout the day, and continued to claim the campaign was not being given adequate access. But when the campaign went to federal court, a lawyer for the campaign admitted the campaign had observers in the hall.'
symyjym
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https://youtu.be/IFc5jU0_RDQ
Yeah it's all bullshit. Would you let this mob of violent armed racist thugs in?
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And, watching CNN, the commissioner in charge of the Philadelphia vote is a registered Republican.
Damned if you damned if you don't. If they count postal votes before election day and the figures get leaked, that can influence voters on the day, count them after then you get a delay. Personally, I think they should be counted after but I do wonder why it is taken so long. Appreciate there are checks in place but, as I understand it, the counters are being observed by a republican, a democrat and an independent observer.