[Albion] £14.95 to watch Albion

[dazzer6666]

But you are in the fortunate position of being able
to. I know plenty of low income individuals or families who very carefully prioritise and budget to ensure they can follow their team some of whom through Covid and therefore not much fault of their own find themselves in straightened circumstances.

As a result they will still try and find a way to fund their viewing and it’s these people who an extra £45 a month, without receiving their refund until the end of the season, who are out of pocket substantially.

It’s this demographic I worry about because to me The Premier League, whether it wants one or not, at a time like this, has a moral responsibility in my eyes. They KNOW this demographic will still cough up to watch their side no matter what the price point.

Perhaps the failings for me were the price point - and despite Barber’s protestations to the contrary - collectively the clubs could have confronted the Prem on and COULD have influenced, and from BHA’s perspective potentially finding a way to lessen the blow for STH in a difficult position in lieu of ST refunds.

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[dazzer6666]

Sorry, I didn't know that. So, the offer is for Sky customers only. That seems a bit short sighted. I hope that is rectified quickly.

Several of the games are on BT.......

 

[Beach Hut]

I could afford to pay £14.95 but won't, I wasn't bothered about that the club had my ST money up front but now I question that, all due to the fact the club voted for PPV.

I would never have expected a Community Football Club to vote for something like that.

 

[drew]

Has anyone listened to EP on the Price of Football?

Seems the deal was put to the clubs on the basis that all games are not going to be broadcast for free so the two options were £15 to watch a game or pay nothing and see nothing. The price was set by the broadcasters, not the clubs.

If the clubs had said no, and no one could pay then imaging the thread following that!!

 

[Beach Hut]

Has anyone listened to EP on the Price of Football?

Seems the deal was put to the clubs on the basis that all games are not going to be broadcast for free so the two options were £15 to watch a game or pay nothing and see nothing. The price was set by the broadcasters, not the clubs.

If the clubs had said no, and no one could pay then imaging the thread following that!!

Pay nothing and see nothing might actually have helped clubs to concentrate on why they pay footballers such obscene wages.

 

[Springal]

How can the broadcaster justify £15 or nothing? Surely they don't have any additional costs because it is the same stream they are selling globally?

Also is the collective negotiation power for all the PL chairman and CEOs really so bad that they put up with a £14.95 or nothing deal? So no problem negotiating huge transfer deals, sponsorship and kit deals but put up with this deal?

Although might explain how they all get bent over by agents so often if that is their negotiation skills

 

[Barham's tash]

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Yep. But whether that happens remains to be seen.

I hope so but in one his three missives to me that didn’t seem to be an option but if it is then great. I’m labouring a point about my circumstances but there will be plenty worse off than me.

Football is and remains a luxury for me but for others it’s a necessity for their wellbeing.

 

[Barham's tash]

I would never have expected a Community Football Club to vote for something like that.

This is the part that rankles with me alongside my other points elsewhere.

Just didn’t think we’d be yes men in this type of scenario.

 

[Is it PotG?]

mmmm.....

I think I have been quite precise about who and what I'm unhappy with and am very certainly not lumping everyone together. The opposite, in fact (and at tedious length).

[MENTION=189]Wozza[/MENTION] just made a very pertinent point; much more nuanced than the posts that have annoyed me, even if I don't really share his inference (yet).

All of this came from me saying that of course I will pay £15 for games I wouldn't odinarily have been able to view on TV (and then getting dug out for saying so with, frankly, a load of impertinent comments about me as a person from one or two people, with others then commenting on the comments without reading their provenance). Anyway, I think it's best I leave this thread alone now, points made, understood by some, will never be understood by others so it seems

It's ordinarily H, ordinarily.

 

[Barham's tash]

You have conflated a lot of issues there. You pain a picture of supporters paying 'twice' to fund the ego trip of a slick businessman splashing around cash on luxury playesr and pleading poverty. I will raise one eyebrow

Yep I do especially as we’ve paid £11m for two players we won’t see for a year. A fraction of that would make up the amount were likely to make from PPV.

But I’m not suggesting it’s an ego trip anywhere more that we can’t hold out the skint signs with one hand and spend that on the other.

You and I paid upfront for a service we haven't received. We will get a refund if we want it. The fact that you couldn't really afford to buy the service in the first place (your implication) is sad, but that's really your call, isn't it? The fact you now have the opportunity to pay to watch games we didn't previously have the option of watching, without jeopardizing your season ticket refund, is good, surely? The sad fact is you can't afford it so you will miss out. But in what way are you 'paying twice'?

My circumstances changed after renewal but mainly because of government policy that it was difficult to foresee so I renewed in good faith.

Been done to death elsewhere and will remain subjective but having paid 50% of my season ticket so far it’s very easy to argue that until we pass 9 out of 18 home games mark that I’ve effectively paid for that product.

Being asked to find another £15 x 7 for the remaining home games up until that point before the club refund [assuming won’t happen until end of season] then I consider that being asked to pay for the same product twice.

The rest of your post is about other things.

As for denigrating peope for their personal views, I get told time after time that people can express any view they like on NSC. If it happens to be my view that some people are conflating a range of different things into a confection of inappropriate vituperation, and if I am annoyed enough about it (especially the attacks on our club) to say so, I will say so.

Inappropriate to you and that’s fine, but I really think it’s a tad ludicrous to belittle people passing judgement on the club behaviour in this instance if that’s how strongly people feel - but football Twas ever a game of strong opinions and I’m happy to agree to disagree.

And if I express strong views about people flouncing off to county league, tarring our owner with the mendacious brush of 'moneyman', there is no reason for you to infer that I am sneering at your cashflow problems. I'm not and I am sorry to hear it. I don't favour conflation since the connections implied are often false.

We have an issue about ST refunds (this needs to speed up - absolutely, because Covid has changed people's finances - no other reason).
We have an issue about the price of the new televised games (I have sympathy for those who can't afford it, albeit is an extra with the price set by the EPL, and it is not a substitute for what they paid for, or profiteering by the club as some imply, but I have no sympathy for those who refuse to pay on 'principle'.)

I don’t think the club is profiteering but as a self titled community club I expected them to stand up for us a bit better than they obviously did.

We have an issue about the top 6 and their proposed land grab (which has nothing to do with the above, apparently - El Pres said on the radio an hour ago that this has been in planning for 3 years and any reference to Covid were there any would be a smokescreen).

I said yesterday that I really don't want to offend anyone in genuine hardship for whom the £15 may seem like a final straw. I understand that the messages about payments and reimbursement can be confusing. If you are worrying about covid (as I am), your job (thankfully not in my case), the future of your family (definitely) then all sorts of stuff can be a blow and unsettling. I get that and I am sorry about it.

But I draw the line at people sticking the boot into our club because they are on their 'final straw'. The attacks on Barber are absurd. He is Bloom's man so until Bloom sacks Barber (perhaps he may - who knows?) I am assuming he is expressing the bosses views. That means people are attacking Bloom (even if they don't think they are - in the case of some people I see little or no evidence of any thinking, but as I said, I appreciate that people have wider issues and may be feeling delicate and fragile). Final comment on this - if anyone is upset at the costs agreed by the EPL for additional access to watch the team you love, please don't attack the club.

Passing comment on to Barber and receiving a response that felt patronising - not just me, plenty of others too - is not the same as assuming TB holds those views and is therefore being patronising too. After all it’s not like TB vets PB’s replies to people... He’s paid handsomely to think for himself and in the majority of occasions is absolutely correct. I’ve emailed him several times in his tenure when he’s stuck his neck out and got it spot on so he can’t have it both ways as a CEO and must accept the rough with the smooth.

My final thought on my own situation is such that yes I’m definitely feeling more irritable and fragile as a result of everything going on but I felt that having paid for the remainder of last season and committed to paying for this [even though I never expected to see the games in either case AND not necessarily expect the money back initially] I hoped to have shown the club that I/we as fans supported their stance on not accepting money from the furlough scheme, being open and honest with their communications and protecting the club as best they could during this difficult time is it then too much to ask that they might have our backs for the added extra kick in the bread tray this is? I think not. But you do and that’s fair enough I suppose.

If you’ve stuck it this far I’m big enough to apologise for my earlier snappy response and shake hands and move on!

 

[dazzer6666]

Yep I do especially as we’ve paid £11m for two players we won’t see for a year. A fraction of that would make up the amount were likely to make from PPV.

But I’m not suggesting it’s an ego trip anywhere more that we can’t hold out the skint signs with one hand and spend that on the other.



My circumstances changed after renewal but mainly because of government policy that it was difficult to foresee so I renewed in good faith.

Been done to death elsewhere and will remain subjective but having paid 50% of my season ticket so far it’s very easy to argue that until we pass 9 out of 18 home games mark that I’ve effectively paid for that product.

Being asked to find another £15 x 7 for the remaining home games up until that point before the club refund [assuming won’t happen until end of season] then I consider that being asked to pay for the same product twice.



Inappropriate to you and that’s fine, but I really think it’s a tad ludicrous to belittle people passing judgement on the club behaviour in this instance if that’s how strongly people feel - but football Twas ever a game of strong opinions and I’m happy to agree to disagree.



I don’t think the club is profiteering but as a self titled community club I expected them to stand up for us a bit better than they obviously did.




Passing comment on to Barber and receiving a response that felt patronising - not just me, plenty of others too - is not the same as assuming TB holds those views and is therefore being patronising too. After all it’s not like TB vets PB’s replies to people... He’s paid handsomely to think for himself and in the majority of occasions is absolutely correct. I’ve emailed him several times in his tenure when he’s stuck his neck out and got it spot on so he can’t have it both ways as a CEO and must accept the rough with the smooth.

My final thought on my own situation is such that yes I’m definitely feeling more irritable and fragile as a result of everything going on but I felt that having paid for the remainder of last season and committed to paying for this [even though I never expected to see the games in either case AND not necessarily expect the money back initially] I hoped to have shown the club that I/we as fans supported their stance on not accepting money from the furlough scheme, being open and honest with their communications and protecting the club as best they could during this difficult time is it then too much to ask that they might have our backs for the added extra kick in the bread tray this is? I think not. But you do and that’s fair enough I suppose.

If you’ve stuck it this far I’m big enough to apologise for my earlier snappy response and shake hands and move on!

Possible (Barber’s crass comment aside) that people are perhaps judging a bit too soon ? Up until 3 weeks ago the club were reasonably expecting to have some fans back in the ground so the position they have taken re refunds etc was ok. Since then, that’s been kyboshed, and a hastily-arranged trial of PPV has also been brought in so I’d imagine the club are actively working on their overall response.

Be interesting to see what they come up with.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yep I do especially as we’ve paid £11m for two players we won’t see for a year. A fraction of that would make up the amount were likely to make from PPV.

But I’m not suggesting it’s an ego trip anywhere more that we can’t hold out the skint signs with one hand and spend that on the other.



My circumstances changed after renewal but mainly because of government policy that it was difficult to foresee so I renewed in good faith.

Been done to death elsewhere and will remain subjective but having paid 50% of my season ticket so far it’s very easy to argue that until we pass 9 out of 18 home games mark that I’ve effectively paid for that product.

Being asked to find another £15 x 7 for the remaining home games up until that point before the club refund [assuming won’t happen until end of season] then I consider that being asked to pay for the same product twice.



Inappropriate to you and that’s fine, but I really think it’s a tad ludicrous to belittle people passing judgement on the club behaviour in this instance if that’s how strongly people feel - but football Twas ever a game of strong opinions and I’m happy to agree to disagree.



I don’t think the club is profiteering but as a self titled community club I expected them to stand up for us a bit better than they obviously did.




Passing comment on to Barber and receiving a response that felt patronising - not just me, plenty of others too - is not the same as assuming TB holds those views and is therefore being patronising too. After all it’s not like TB vets PB’s replies to people... He’s paid handsomely to think for himself and in the majority of occasions is absolutely correct. I’ve emailed him several times in his tenure when he’s stuck his neck out and got it spot on so he can’t have it both ways as a CEO and must accept the rough with the smooth.

My final thought on my own situation is such that yes I’m definitely feeling more irritable and fragile as a result of everything going on but I felt that having paid for the remainder of last season and committed to paying for this [even though I never expected to see the games in either case AND not necessarily expect the money back initially] I hoped to have shown the club that I/we as fans supported their stance on not accepting money from the furlough scheme, being open and honest with their communications and protecting the club as best they could during this difficult time is it then too much to ask that they might have our backs for the added extra kick in the bread tray this is? I think not. But you do and that’s fair enough I suppose.

If you’ve stuck it this far I’m big enough to apologise for my earlier snappy response and shake hands and move on!

That's a very considered response (to what was a fairly spiky reply from me, and I apologise for that) and I certainly did read it all carefully. Many thanks for it. Very hard (for me) to get all the nuance of my points across, especially with all the sneery dismissive one-liners I have received from some other posters. If they want to shout 'clueless' etc over a fence they'd be better off, er, sodding off. But your position strikes me as sound, reasonable and understandable. It may well also be correct. I have swung firmly into 'the club is right' mode perhaps partly because I'd feel so let down if I thought the club was wrong (horribly wrong, like some think, and wrong with eyes wide open, making them no better than the Oystons of this world - perhaps).

I'm sorry to hear your circumstances have changed. I definitely think the club should seek quickly to create a mechanism to factor this into fast track reimbursements for those who need it.

Now that only you are reading this reply (some times there is an advantage to being a wind bag whose posts are too long to read) I note, wisely or not (I can't really tell) that I am struggling with coming to terms with what looks like a longstanding mental health issue that, among other things, leads me to behave in a way that others may see as over-reaction. So, if I may appear to have over reacted, I'll try to wind it back next time. No guarantees of sucees, mind, because my tiny mind always tells me that my assessment and reaction are reasonable (FFS!). I find reading people and their 'meaning' really difficult. Apparently the fact that people do, on the whole, find it moderately rewarding to engage with me, for a while at least (many years in some cases, albeit less than a minute in others ), is a bit of a surprise to those who are aware of the diagnosis I may write a book about it after I retire.

Anyway, yes, I'm 'virtually' shaking hands - always enjoy reading your posts. I hope you bounce back from whatever blight this Covid bollocks has shat upon you.

 

[dazzer6666]

Just got the email invite to register for the Q&A tomorrow. Should be fun. Mustard sweater at the ready [emoji16]

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Just got the email invite to register for the Q&A tomorrow. Should be fun. Mustard sweater at the ready [emoji16]

This.

 

[drew]

Pay nothing and see nothing might actually have helped clubs to concentrate on why they pay footballers such obscene wages.

I'm guessing you are or already have made your stand by not having a season ticket or going to games. That is of course your choice. Do you apply the same measures against people in other walks of life. For example, I'm guessing you don't go to watch the latest blockbuster movie because of the obscene salary the leading actors earn. Or maybe you don't buy/download (or subscribe to a music service) because of the obscene amounts the top artists earn?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Unusual misstep by PB.

As all Season ticket holders have already paid for the first half of the season, it does feel odd that he should think anyone is trying to get something for nothing.

Direct debit payers have paid for 12 out the 19 games. It is more realistic to say that these are the last 12 games of the season, not the first 12, but even that amount of games looks a bit optimistic right now.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Just got the email invite to register for the Q&A tomorrow. Should be fun. Mustard sweater at the ready [emoji16]

Not me

What gives?

 

[Falmer Wizard]

If you go with Virgin you can get both Sky and BT football matches, more than enough for most.

 

[Beach Hut]

I'm guessing you are or already have made your stand by not having a season ticket or going to games. That is of course your choice. Do you apply the same measures against people in other walks of life. For example, I'm guessing you don't go to watch the latest blockbuster movie because of the obscene salary the leading actors earn. Or maybe you don't buy/download (or subscribe to a music service) because of the obscene amounts the top artists earn?

Disappointed Mr Barber, you are wrong

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

So tomorrow Barber says unfortunately as much as the league would like, it's not sustainable to go lower than £14.95, and that fans who can't afford their ST money to be kept as a credit can apply for a refund.

That will be that then won't it? Job done.

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