[Albion] 10-game ban and 50-loyalty point deduction

[drew]

The atmosphere has got absolutely nothing to do with those who aren't there.

There is (was) a Big Match Revisted on ITV4 of us v Liverpool, the early 80's 3-3 game.

3 or 4 times the commentator mentions how quiet we are.
Then notes how we finally had some atmosphere as the team clawed their way back into the game.

Now there's 2 parts to this:-
A) Scroll forward 40 years and nothing has changed that's because we were, we are, we always will be a reactionary crowd.
If the AMEX was only filled with fans who aren't allowed in it will still be silent 10 minutes into a 0-0 against Wolves, Burnley, WBA or any other no mark team who don't travel.

2 - Anyone who harks back to the cauldron that was the Goldstone is talking bollox.

Agree entirely. All this bollox about creating artificial atmosphere, getting safe standing, drinking at your seat etc etc ignores the fact that it is what happens on the pitch that gets the crowd on their feet, always has been and always will be. We had some real shit times at the Goldstone, pretty much most of the nineties up until Fans Utd but I think people forget that.

 

[drew]

You think a CEO on a reported £2m a year needs a chairman to intervene on a ticket policy?

I think our chairman will know about it and agree a policy like this. This is not a normal business where the CEO doesn't need to report to shareholders. PB and TB almost certainly regularly touch base but there is core of PB haters that can't accept that he isn't responsible for all the ills in football. It's quite frankly pathetic. At the end of the day this is about people cheating the system and doing it knowingly. Get what they deserve. They knew the rules yet still they come bleating on here.

We're not playing football in the 70/80s any more. We're not playing in a run down dump of a stadium where there is shit food and the toilets are just pissing against a brick wall. You can't just turn up, pay at the gate and they'll let anyone through. There is a limited supply for away tickets and demand that exceeds that. We have a scheme that we are told was devised by TB yet still people think they can circumvent it.

I also think anyone that thinks TB was unaware of the introduction of these penalties is oblivious to the way this club operates. But hey, crack on with your agenda.

 

[BadFish]

With all the instability of when a game is actually played I believe that the principle of being able to give your ticket to a family member or friend should be honoured, and without charge.

If the club wish to ensure that tickets match I'd of people at the game then they should enable a change of name on the tickets free of charge. This will solve the problem of unsociable behaviour. The ID allows the yobbos to be identified and banned for their behaviour (rather than banning people for far less).

To avoid points farming perhaps those tickets can only be transferred to others on their friends and family list. Or even a limit to the number of transfers per season.

The details can be adjusted of course but the principle of giving fans flexibility with their tickets should be non negotiable.

 

[Nicks]

Careful there Badfish your starting to talk sense.

 

[dazzer6666]

With all the instability of when a game is actually played I believe that the principle of being able to give your ticket to a family member or friend should be honoured, and without charge.

If the club wish to ensure that tickets match I'd of people at the game then they should enable a change of name on the tickets free of charge. This will solve the problem of unsociable behaviour. The ID allows the yobbos to be identified and banned for their behaviour (rather than banning people for far less).

To avoid points farming perhaps those tickets can only be transferred to others on their friends and family list. Or even a limit to the number of transfers per season.

The details can be adjusted of course but the principle of giving fans flexibility with their tickets should be non negotiable.

Sounds ok……..would need to be a limited number of times - 2-3 maybe ? - otherwise harvesting would continue. Something has to be done - having absolutely ZERO way of reassigning an away ticket is rubbish.

 

[Dirty Dave]

A situation my group may find itself in for an upcoming game:

Tier 1 supporter buys several tickets, all for eligible supporters.

If one of those ticket holders (My Albion +) then can't make the game so passes ticket to another supporter, with purchase history....

If a points / ban punishment is handed out, who would incur this?

 

[drew]

With all the instability of when a game is actually played I believe that the principle of being able to give your ticket to a family member or friend should be honoured, and without charge.

If the club wish to ensure that tickets match I'd of people at the game then they should enable a change of name on the tickets free of charge. This will solve the problem of unsociable behaviour. The ID allows the yobbos to be identified and banned for their behaviour (rather than banning people for far less).

To avoid points farming perhaps those tickets can only be transferred to others on their friends and family list. Or even a limit to the number of transfers per season.

The details can be adjusted of course but the principle of giving fans flexibility with their tickets should be non negotiable.

Possibly agree as long as the recipient has the required number of loyalty points equivalent to when the ticket was purchased.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I think our chairman will know about it and agree a policy like this. This is not a normal business where the CEO doesn't need to report to shareholders. PB and TB almost certainly regularly touch base but there is core of PB haters that can't accept that he isn't responsible for all the ills in football. It's quite frankly pathetic. At the end of the day this is about people cheating the system and doing it knowingly. Get what they deserve. They knew the rules yet still they come bleating on here.

We're not playing football in the 70/80s any more. We're not playing in a run down dump of a stadium where there is shit food and the toilets are just pissing against a brick wall. You can't just turn up, pay at the gate and they'll let anyone through. There is a limited supply for away tickets and demand that exceeds that. We have a scheme that we are told was devised by TB yet still people think they can circumvent it.

I also think anyone that thinks TB was unaware of the introduction of these penalties is oblivious to the way this club operates. But hey, crack on with your agenda.

Knowing about something and sanctioning it are clearly two different things, he probably does know about it, but does he involve himself in it to that level I doubt it but then I’m as sure as you.

Do I think PB is involved in every decision, absolutely not, it’s likely he’s an escalation point himself

Does it actually matter whose ultimate decision it was, not really.

Wasnt aware I had an agenda, thanks for bringing it up

 

[drew]

A situation my group may find itself in for an upcoming game:

Tier 1 supporter buys several tickets, all for eligible supporters.

If one of those ticket holders (My Albion +) then can't make the game so passes ticket to another supporter, with purchase history....

If a points / ban punishment is handed out, who would incur this?

I'd assume it would be the person who's name is on the ticket as they are the one benefiting from the loyalty points.

 

[drew]

Knowing about something and sanctioning it are clearly two different things, he probably does know about it, but does he involve himself in it to that level I doubt it but then I’m as sure as you.

Do I think PB is involved in every decision, absolutely not, it’s likely he’s an escalation point himself

Does it actually matter whose ultimate decision it was, not really.

Wasnt aware I had an agenda, thanks for bringing it up

You honestly think TB will know about something that has been introduced and if he doesn't agree with he won't say anything to PB? Further, do you think PB will instigate a policy that he knows TB doesn't agree with?

You're right, I'm not sure but we have been previously told that TB designed the LP scheme so it makes sense he would be made aware of any change in policy about it.

The reason it is relevant who's ultimate decision it was is that there are some that are happy to heap blame on PB but not TB.

 

[Dirty Dave]

I'd assume it would be the person who's name is on the ticket as they are the one benefiting from the loyalty points.

That would be my take on it. And clearly in that given situation, the punishment given to a supporter who has, probably less than 50 LP to their name and only attends the odd game is going to be less impacted than it going to a tier 1 ST holder who does every home game and a good handful of away matches

 

[e77]

I don't imagine the club brought the scheme in with the intent of punishing fans who transfer tickets between relatives in the same tier but now the scheme is in place they have to be consistent. If you want to blame anyone blame fans who either didn't perform any due diligence when getting tickets for other people or didn't care that they were pawper nawty.

Tickets being non transferable is more or less the default for major events now. I have tickets for concerts at the O2 and Hyde Park next year and the default is to load them to your phone. People might not like it but it is the way of the world now.

It also stops what happened at larger clubs where groups of fans basically got to control the supply of away tickets and no one else got a look in.

 

[dazzer6666]

A situation my group may find itself in for an upcoming game:

Tier 1 supporter buys several tickets, all for eligible supporters.

If one of those ticket holders (My Albion +) then can't make the game so passes ticket to another supporter, with purchase history....

If a points / ban punishment is handed out, who would incur this?

Person whose name the transferred ticket is in originally (they are the ones gaining the LPs)

 

[dazzer6666]

That would be my take on it. And clearly in that given situation, the punishment given to a supporter who has, probably less than 50 LP to their name and only attends the odd game is going to be less impacted than it going to a tier 1 ST holder who does every home game and a good handful of away matches

…..but the ‘rules’ are really primarily designed to stop T1/T2 LP holders gaining further points without going to games, and to stop groups getting together to transfer those T1/T2 tickets to bellends who cause trouble.

 

[Stat Brother]

…..but the ‘rules’ are really primarily designed to stop T1/T2 LP holders gaining further points without going to games, and to stop groups getting together to transfer those T1/T2 tickets to bellends who cause trouble.

With the upshot being more ticket and therefore more LP available to those further down the ladder.

 

[BadFish]

With the upshot being more ticket and therefore more LP available to those further down the ladder.

What would happen if the loyalty points were transferred with the ticket? Surely if the name can be easily transferred then so can the loyalty points? This would stop the harvesting?

 

[drew]

That would be my take on it. And clearly in that given situation, the punishment given to a supporter who has, probably less than 50 LP to their name and only attends the odd game is going to be less impacted than it going to a tier 1 ST holder who does every home game and a good handful of away matches

I assume from what you're saying is that the Tier 1 person didn't by the tickets at that level? He/She didn't buy until it got down to the 'My Albion+' window.

 

[trueblue]

Tickets being non transferable is more or less the default for major events now. I have tickets for concerts at the O2 and Hyde Park next year and the default is to load them to your phone. People might not like it but it is the way of the world now.

Not sure that's true. I've found it very easy to transfer mobile tickets with the likes of AXS and they don't have an issue with it. You just send them on to the other person's mobile. Only snag is if things change again because they have to reassign it back to you - but wouldn't be a problem with relatives.

 

[Dirty Dave]

I assume from what you're saying is that the Tier 1 person didn't by the tickets at that level? He/She didn't buy until it got down to the 'My Albion+' window.

That's right. So Tier 1 person bought all the tickets together when it went down My Albion +, meaning everyone eligible could get their named ticket. However, now a My Albion + member may not be able to go

 

[jackalbion]

Who's to decide those tickets bought and then misused were all 'honest' mistakes?

Why wasn't the response:-

'bollox the club have said they're going to crackdown so I/we/you can't go to game x, on the 'spare' ticket'

an option?

Because that’s not an option? I don’t think “bollox the club” if you actually bothered to read I think there’s good and bad of this situation. I’ve never gone to a game on someone’s else’s ticket so I don’t care, maybe if most of this website wasn’t terrified of anyone under 30, they’d be more relaxed and stress free. Can’t wait for another Neville’s Breakfast teaching analogy that tells us that we’re all naughty schoolchildren. I do actually like your posts stat but you’re just coming over on this, as trying to have the last word and get a laugh. I don’t even care anymore, I’ve agreed with most on here (EVEN CHAILEY) who made some very good points. I just don’t think painting the most loyal fans as criminal is good for a club that at most away games rely on the away support. I travel thousands of miles for this club every season for U21, womens and first team and I get absolutely nothing as a reward other than to get told I’m “illegally” selling tickets on despite buying legitimately for my mates EVERY SINGLE GAME, or maybe a reply from the Twitter admin. Give me a break with the whole faux outrage “bollox”.