[Albion] 10-game ban and 50-loyalty point deduction

[dsr-burnley]

Tickets being non transferable is more or less the default for major events now. I have tickets for concerts at the O2 and Hyde Park next year and the default is to load them to your phone. People might not like it but it is the way of the world now.

Which means not only that you have to buy an expensive passport for I.D., but you also have to buy an expensive smartphone to put the tickets on. See the cost of living thread for why this might not be a good idea!

 

[nwgull]

Which means not only that you have to buy an expensive passport for I.D., but you also have to buy an expensive smartphone to put the tickets on. See the cost of living thread for why this might not be a good idea!

You don’t have to buy an expensive passport for ID. There are plenty of other forms, the most common being either a provisional or full driving license.

Get used to having something. You already need photo ID for a load of life-admin things anyway, but you are going to need it to vote from May onwards.

 

[dsr-burnley]

You don’t have to buy an expensive passport for ID. There are plenty of other forms, the most common being either a provisional or full driving license.

Get used to having something. You already need photo ID for a load of life-admin things anyway, but you are going to need it to vote from May onwards.

I think getting a driving licence is even more expensive than getting a passport! My mother's kept her driving licence, though she gave up driving years ago, especially because of the interfering busybodies and jobsworths that want to see it - but we never thought it would reach the point of having to prove identity to go to a football match.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

With all the instability of when a game is actually played I believe that the principle of being able to give your ticket to a family member or friend should be honoured, and without charge.

If the club wish to ensure that tickets match I'd of people at the game then they should enable a change of name on the tickets free of charge. This will solve the problem of unsociable behaviour. The ID allows the yobbos to be identified and banned for their behaviour (rather than banning people for far less).

To avoid points farming perhaps those tickets can only be transferred to others on their friends and family list. Or even a limit to the number of transfers per season.

The details can be adjusted of course but the principle of giving fans flexibility with their tickets should be non negotiable.

In fact the opposite of what you say is non negotiable. There is no point in my continued support if the moment we become successful people hoard tickets by buying them up and distributing them to their mates as they choose, thereby re-enforcing their points advantage. No doubt this has always happened but when demand exceeds supply it has real consequences for people lower down the points list. Quite frankly the entitlement on this thread is staggering.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

What would happen if the loyalty points were transferred with the ticket? Surely if the name can be easily transferred then so can the loyalty points? This would stop the harvesting?

I don’t see why it would. There are clearly people buying tickets for the loyalty points but with no intention of going to the game, safe in the knowledge they can pass them on to whoever they choose. If they lost those LP they wouldn’t use such a system, so without the random checks they would prefer to carry on as they are.

 

[nwgull]

double post

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Because that’s not an option? I don’t think “bollox the club” if you actually bothered to read I think there’s good and bad of this situation. I’ve never gone to a game on someone’s else’s ticket so I don’t care, maybe if most of this website wasn’t terrified of anyone under 30, they’d be more relaxed and stress free. Can’t wait for another Neville’s Breakfast teaching analogy that tells us that we’re all naughty schoolchildren. I do actually like your posts stat but you’re just coming over on this, as trying to have the last word and get a laugh. I don’t even care anymore, I’ve agreed with most on here (EVEN CHAILEY) who made some very good points. I just don’t think painting the most loyal fans as criminal is good for a club that at most away games rely on the away support. I travel thousands of miles for this club every season for U21, womens and first team and I get absolutely nothing as a reward other than to get told I’m “illegally” selling tickets on despite buying legitimately for my mates EVERY SINGLE GAME, or maybe a reply from the Twitter admin. Give me a break with the whole faux outrage “bollox”.

Detention !
I will pull you up on one thing thing though. You don’t travel thousands of miles ‘for this club.’ You do it for the same reason as everyone else ie because you enjoy it. That enables you to buy further tickets but does not entitle you to either re-distribute those tickets as you wish nor opt out of the rules the club have introduced to stop people doing so. Don’t take the new rules so personally. You are a part of a community so you have a responsibility, that’s all.
As to being ‘terrrified of under 30s.’ That’s a bit of a joke given my job and where I teach ! A few loudmouths from Sussex are quaint but no more than that.

 

[nwgull]

I think getting a driving licence is even more expensive than getting a passport! My mother's kept her driving licence, though she gave up driving years ago, especially because of the interfering busybodies and jobsworths that want to see it - but we never thought it would reach the point of having to prove identity to go to a football match.

Driving license is less then half the price, and there are other options anyway.

Either way, deal with it. Needing to produce ID occasionally is a fact of modern life.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Which means not only that you have to buy an expensive passport for I.D., but you also have to buy an expensive smartphone to put the tickets on. See the cost of living thread for why this might not be a good idea!

LOL.

You need a passport to leave the country and most kids have smartphones these days (they are also useful for loading your plane tickets and airmiles points on )

Of course, down south we board aeroplanes, whereas in Burnley you point at them.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Of course, down south we board aeroplanes, whereas in Burnley you point at them.

or fly White Lives Matter banners from them.

 

[Stat Brother]

Because that’s not an option? I don’t think “bollox the club” if you actually bothered to read I think there’s good and bad of this situation. I’ve never gone to a game on someone’s else’s ticket so I don’t care, maybe if most of this website wasn’t terrified of anyone under 30, they’d be more relaxed and stress free. Can’t wait for another Neville’s Breakfast teaching analogy that tells us that we’re all naughty schoolchildren. I do actually like your posts stat but you’re just coming over on this, as trying to have the last word and get a laugh. I don’t even care anymore, I’ve agreed with most on here (EVEN CHAILEY) who made some very good points. I just don’t think painting the most loyal fans as criminal is good for a club that at most away games rely on the away support. I travel thousands of miles for this club every season for U21, womens and first team and I get absolutely nothing as a reward other than to get told I’m “illegally” selling tickets on despite buying legitimately for my mates EVERY SINGLE GAME, or maybe a reply from the Twitter admin. Give me a break with the whole faux outrage “bollox”.

No you've missed my point.
You asked for a gap between announcing a crackdown on passing tickets and then seeing it through, irrespective of the fact passing tickets on is against the terms and conditions of purchase.
My reply to that is it doesn't matter if there's a gap or not, it's still going to happen until the club cracks down so those with tickets they weren't using AFTER the announcement should have thought 'bollox the club are cracking down, they mean it, this ticket stays at home'.



Despite what some would have younger posters believe going to the Albion, in my yoof, was occasionally shite, proper shite, and seriously intimidating, if those memories make me apprehensive now then sorry I don't see why that should be mocked.

At Burnley the queue for the stalls was outside the toilet, 20 - 30 youths all needing a pooh!
On the terrace the atmosphere (from both sides) was pretty disgusting and 90% of the time had nothing to do with supporting the teams.

I go to games with my now 18 year old son, he has all the sense and forethought of a teenaged boy.
I don't want him involved in the kind of situations I found myself in at that age and younger (a feeling when expressed has me being accused of "Mumsnet') because he's a consequence free idiot.

As this new found undercurrent is being driven by fans handing tickets over to others who haven't earned them, therefore don't respect them, so are going to football for the craic and not the game, then I'm all in favour of this clampdown whether that's glibly or with my serious head on.

I doubt it will last long, I hope the club can set up a working fair transfer system.
I hope all.that want to go to games, support the team, can do so.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

We definitely don’t want anyone going to the football for the craic and not the game. Heaven forbid.

 

[Stat Brother]

We definitely don’t want anyone going to the football for the craic and not the game. Heaven forbid.

Go for the craic AND the game.

 

[Justice]

I think our chairman will know about it and agree a policy like this. This is not a normal business where the CEO doesn't need to report to shareholders. PB and TB almost certainly regularly touch base but there is core of PB haters that can't accept that he isn't responsible for all the ills in football. It's quite frankly pathetic. At the end of the day this is about people cheating the system and doing it knowingly. Get what they deserve. They knew the rules yet still they come bleating on here.

We're not playing football in the 70/80s any more. We're not playing in a run down dump of a stadium where there is shit food and the toilets are just pissing against a brick wall. You can't just turn up, pay at the gate and they'll let anyone through. There is a limited supply for away tickets and demand that exceeds that. We have a scheme that we are told was devised by TB yet still people think they can circumvent it.

I also think anyone that thinks TB was unaware of the introduction of these penalties is oblivious to the way this club operates. But hey, crack on with your agenda.

You honestly think TB will know about something that has been introduced and if he doesn't agree with he won't say anything to PB? Further, do you think PB will instigate a policy that he knows TB doesn't agree with?

You're right, I'm not sure but we have been previously told that TB designed the LP scheme so it makes sense he would be made aware of any change in policy about it.

The reason it is relevant whose ultimate decision it was is that there are some that are happy to heap blame on PB but not TB.

I can’t ever remember TB being publicly condescending towards Albion fans can you? Barbs thinks he’s the headmaster of an unruly school it grates on many to the point of some can’t be bothered going because of it.

 

[nwgull]

I can’t ever remember TB being publicly condescending towards Albion fans can you? Barbs thinks he’s the headmaster of an unruly school it grates on many to the point of some can’t be bothered going because of it.

TB literally employs Barber to do the unpopular, but necessary, stuff like this. There’s no way that he doesn’t back the policy.

 

[Justice]

Which means not only that you have to buy an expensive passport for I.D., but you also have to buy an expensive smartphone to put the tickets on. See the cost of living thread for why this might not be a good idea!

They don’t want piss poor fans attending in the PL, they want them to buy the over priced food and all the tat from the club shop.

 

[Justice]

TB literally employs Barber to do the unpopular, but necessary, stuff like this. There’s no way that he doesn’t back the policy.

Capitalist football club dismayed at supporters when they do what all good capitalists do, think about their own personal gain.
That’s from the club that charged its supporters to go on a non existent ST waiting list

 

[drew]

I can’t ever remember TB being publicly condescending towards Albion fans can you? Barbs thinks he’s the headmaster of an unruly school it grates on many to the point of some can’t be bothered going because of it.

No, I can't remember but then he has PB to perform that task for him. This isn't about an unruly school, it's about getting a rid of a small minority that are threatening the reputation of the school! And if people chose not to go because they can't get over the fact that they can't have bottle tops for example then more fool them.

 

[Justice]

No, I can't remember but then he has PB to perform that task for him. This isn't about an unruly school, it's about getting a rid of a small minority that are threatening the reputation of the school! And if people chose not to go because they can't get over the fact that they can't have bottle tops for example then more fool them.

I see this a lot PB is TB’s puppet. Yet pre PB we all survived reasonably well without incident.

 

[Justice]

No, I can't remember but then he has PB to perform that task for him. This isn't about an unruly school, it's about getting a rid of a small minority that are threatening the reputation of the school! And if people chose not to go because they can't get over the fact that they can't have bottle tops for example then more fool them.

You think bottle tops are the crux