[News] 1% Pay Rise for Nurses.

[Deportivo Seagull]

Which would seem a precarious position to put ourselves in with the NHS under massive strain, that we make nursing a profession that perhaps stops attracting very good or enough applicants. As a society the message should surely be; do this course, we really value you and you will be valued. You may feel it is, but as you've illustrated, it is a choice, and we also have less opportunity to top up any shortages from abroad. Feels like a bit of a double whammy.

More nurses are leaving than joining .....


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[Chicken Run]

My daughter is one such student. She knows the pitfalls but without her and her fellow nursing students, when you are old and senile and lying in your hospital bed, who’s going to wipe your arse and treat you with compassion as you leave this life?
Of ****ing stupid arguments this has to be the worse.


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They are of course to which I’m externally grateful. And I don’t believe their commitment is being discussed [emoji106]

 

[banjo]

My daughter is one such student. She knows the pitfalls but without her and her fellow nursing students, when you are old and senile and lying in your hospital bed, who’s going to wipe your arse and treat you with compassion as you leave this life?
Of ****ing stupid arguments this has to be the worse.


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My wife’s a nurse and the quote you’re getting you knickers in a twist about wasn’t mine. That was Chickenruns reply to my quote. Don’t know why it’s showing up as me?

 

[Hastings gull]

Just a standard daily government disaster, of course its indefensible but they will attempt to defend it, grudgingly change their minds and go up another 2% in the polls.

As I understand it, NHS staff are due to get 1% whereas no one else gets anything in the public sector. People concentrate on nurses, but the pay rise surely applies to everyone involved. So my neighbour, who has an admin job supporting a section of the NHS well away from critical care and in a totally different building to A&E gets a pay rise and my son-in-law in the Police who has had to deal with some real scum this last year gets nothing. So it is not as indefensible that you are determined and want to believe.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

They are of course to which I’m externally grateful. And I don’t believe their commitment is being discussed [emoji106]

No it’s the view that because they are willing and eager to be nurses therefore they can be treated as a cheap employment resource.


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[RossyG]

My wife’s a nurse and the quote you’re getting you knickers in a twist about wasn’t mine. That was Chickenruns reply to my quote. Don’t know why it’s showing up as me?

There. Fixed.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

My wife’s a nurse and the quote you’re getting you knickers in a twist about wasn’t mine. That was Chickenruns reply to my quote. Don’t know why it’s showing up as me?

I’ve quoted chicken Run and so I’m equally confused [emoji2368]


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[Cheshire Cat]

Insult.

Then again my pay rise this year has been announced at a spectacular zero per cent.

I know a lot of people have lost jobs and have taken massive hits, but two (three?) wrongs don't make a right.

 

[A1X]

I haven’t seen a single post that defends the Government on this thread, can you show me an example?

Here you go.

As you say, nurses do it for the love, and then the money.

I know 4 nurses, they all have money to burn and they are also all on very good pensions.

Not many people have those benefits at the moment.

Unions are just stirring it again, no surprise there.

Labour are using aggressive fighting words to spread more hate, with the its 'like being kicked in the face' as spewed out of the ineffective Ashworth.

I suppose they are getting desperate about their poll ratings.

I suppose you could probably also count the rather veiled whinge in this. After all, why else throw in the sarky "who's next"?

Imho should be linked to inflation and anyone working in the NHS between 25 March 20 - 25 March 22 should get a tax free bounty of £1000.

Ok who’s next,

Police
Firefighters
Teachers ( not sure about them)
Bus drivers
Taxi drivers
Supermarket workers
Volunteers

Have I forgotten anyone??

Out of interest did anyone get a pay rise after the Second World War, genuine question?

Not to mention the rather more veiled defences under the banner of "but what about the national debt"

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

There. Fixed.

Not sure about that ..... I’m now the author of posts that I’m quoting ....


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[dejavuatbtn]

Had the NHS been in private hands, in these circumstances I would have envisaged them receiving a one off bonus payment which would have recognised their efforts but not resulted in a salary disparity with other similar occupations.

 

[RossyG]

I’ve quoted chicken Run and so I’m equally confused [emoji2368]


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When this happens.






Delete the bit highlighted when replying and it’s fixed.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Can you provide me with a link please?

They pay course fees of 9,250 per annum.
They also work on placement without pay, it’s part of the training ... so they are effectively charged for working in a hospital!

I suspect that the reason the 5k is granted is that there are laws regards making people work for nothing .....


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[banjo]

I’ve quoted chicken Run and so I’m equally confused [emoji2368]

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No worries I’m in agreement with you, but the wife said she won’t be going anywhere near my arse, now or when I’m older.

 

[BBassic]

The Sunak's are worth over £400m – I don't think Rishi needs his £80k salary to be fair, so must be doing it for the love/power/trust funds I guess?

Yeah love maybe but also probably business connections and access to in depth financial information and post politics book deals and speaking tours and all the rest.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

No worries I’m in agreement with you, but the wife said she won’t be going anywhere near my arse, now or when I’m older.

[emoji23]


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[rogersix]

As I understand it, NHS staff are due to get 1% whereas no one else gets anything in the public sector. People concentrate on nurses, but the pay rise surely applies to everyone involved. So my neighbour, who has an admin job supporting a section of the NHS well away from critical care and in a totally different building to A&E gets a pay rise and my son-in-law in the Police who has had to deal with some real scum this last year gets nothing. So it is not as indefensible that you are determined and want to believe.

did he join the force for the money?

 

[mr sheen]

did he join the force for the money?

He probably didn't join up to take a pay cut every year, once inflation or brexit bills get factored in

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Absolutely despicable and a complete kick in the teeth.

Bullshit there's no money. How about the MP's take a pay cut? I would have happily taken a smaller furlough if it meant they could have a decent pay rise.

What pisses me off more is there's absolutely no decent opposition.

Tony Livsey interviewed Dr Rosena Allin-Khan about nurses pay half an hour ago. Unfortunately she was ill prepared. First question was obvious "so, how much of a pay increase would Labour give the nurses?". The correct answer is difficult, but it would have been wise to have a pre-agreed value, say 4%, with a stated proviso that precise amount may be varied by negotiation. Instead she kept repeating the 'tory 1% is an insult' mantra. Livsey asked the question 3 times and by then the game was up.

If only labour would learn from clever politicians like Boris. "£350 million per week for the NHS if you vote leave". Does anyone care now that he was lying? I* certainly don't. When you have no idea what you are on about it is far better to sound certain. Nobody wants indecision. There is no such thing as an unguessable number, nor a promise that can't be broken in the light of 'new evidence'.


*He was always a **** and dead to me so it hardly matters. Does it matter to anyone, though?

 

[Chicken Run]

Tony Livsey interviewed Dr Rosena Allin-Khan about nurses pay half an hour ago. Unfortunately she was ill prepared. First question was obvious "so, how much of a pay increase would Labour give the nurses?". The correct answer is difficult, but it would have been wise to have a pre-agreed value, say 4%, with a stated proviso that precise amount may be varied by negotiation. Instead she kept repeating the 'tory 1% is an insult' mantra. Livsey asked the question 3 times and by then the game was up.

If only labour would learn from clever politicians like Boris. "£350 million per week for the NHS if you vote leave". Does anyone care now that he was lying? I* certainly don't. When you have no idea what you are on about it is far better to sound certain. Nobody wants indecision. There is no such thing as an unguessable number, nor a promise that can't be broken in the light of 'new evidence'.


*He was always a **** and dead to me so it hardly matters. Does it matter to anyone, though?

Oh well, at least they didn’t trot out Abbott....