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I think you have proven @Herr Tubthumper 's point. This (hardball from supermarkets) has indeed been going on for decades, but it is only now that Labour are in charge that the farmers have mobilized in their hundreds of thousands in London to demand action.

I'm feeling chilly already. Brrrrr. BRRRRRR! Brrrr.

But you're not the only one. (Apologies. Couldn't resist. On a serious note, there is education and there is "indoctrination". Not so longer ago telling schoolkids that gay people are equal was not just indoctrination, but illegal as it 'promoted' homosexuality. It would be good if...

I am not entirely familiar with the workings of the free market economy but if it is cheaper for supermarkets to fly in food from Chile then does it not mean that the local farms are not economical? (I presume you have in mind that multinational supermarkets tell farmers what they are prepared...

No worries :thumbsup:

They have crossed a woke event horizon.

Shouldn't you be on your way to Hove? This tory government needs all the help it can get. And remember, with PR, every vote counts! (Double).

Still shocking. Imagine voting 52/48 to have one's goolies cut off?

Interesting points. I certainly agree wrt sock boy. As for Mr Handsome, maybe being a bit of a nob will help him succeed at Chelsea (if he is a bit of a nob - I have not seen any reason to suspect he is, but I just do) whereas maybe he was insufficiently teamish for Citeh. In fact that's part of...

Maybe. I'm 'labour' but voted 'fence'. How can we tell yet? It is far too soon. In other news (quizzes), will the Albion win something?

I agree. That said, no amount of mansplaining would mollify the farmers, judging by all the 'birthright' twaddle I heard spouted on the radio earlier. Sometimes it may be best to just get on with it. At least labour can't be accused of bullshit spin. Starmer is emerging as someone with a...

Nonsense. You have just hitched a ride on the hysteria bus by the sound of it. There is plenty of balance on the thread. Even posts I consider too left wing for my preference. The true implications have been explained by others who have taken the time to dig out the facts. I admit I put a spin...

You are a bit too left wing for me :wink: (In an ideal world of course you are right in general terms*. My point for starting the thread has more to do with discussing the general perception, and the inevitable clamour from the right, of support for the 'poor' farmers. This support exists - as...

Not a business model I'd embrace. I wonder how it works for a fisherman who own a boat and wants to pass it on to his son? Would he be exempt if his boat was worth less than a million quid?

All changes are sudden by definition. When their introduction is arranged over years then the impact can be mitigated, as others have explained. So I am not 'wrong'.

I'd support that. Sadly about 30 million would be howling for blood, and Labour wouldn't have been elected anyway had that been in the manifesto, and we'd have tiny Sunk grinning about the place, still. What this nation wants is low taxes, It is what the nation has been indoctrinated into...

Snap.

I know. So I went from howling at the moon over the money that had slipped from my grasp, to thinking how pissed off I'd have been had I splashed out on a new three piece suite before collecting the cheque of disappointment. :rant:

If. (And how did it work before Thatcher gave the farmers a Golden Ticket in the 1980s?)