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Oh dear. No, I'm not backpedalling. I'm trying to be magnanimous whilst politely letting you know that your source is poor quality. I'm not sure how else you would like me to say it?!

I never said that anyone had explicitly accepted defeat. In fact, I said that they hadn't. What I said was that most impartial commentators are now saying it openly. I'm not sure the NYT falls into the category of impartial, that's a matter for debate. As far as the assertion goes, I think you...

Eh? What damage are you referring to? I'm not contesting that the plane was brought down, just stating that your source is poor quality.

2 good articles on Zelensky and the conflict with his generals: https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-talks-russians/ https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/91182

Haha yeah the same NYT that won a Pulitzer for its coverage of Russia-gate, now totally discredited.

I'm sorry, I gave it a quick look and I may watch a bit more but it has a bunch of red flags tbh, e.g.: from the title of the video, he has a clear bias; the title also suggests that he is not a serious commentator; his first source is the Ukrainian Military's twatter feed; his second source is...

My bad - I didn't know that was Churchill!

With respect, the title of that video is Russia Lost Their Most Important Airplane (ha ha ha) and you consider it to be a serious source?!

You just don't want to accept that Russia may win this. That looks to me like an emotional response, not a logical one. Yeah I will dig out some articles to back up my assertions when I've finished work. Do you have any to back up yours?

The problem is the appetite for sending more money and arms to Ukraine is waning, and Zelensky and his generals know it. This is the beginning of the end, not the end of the beginning.

Left, right and centre? Erm... Some of you are getting a little bit triggered by the suggestion that Ukraine may not win the war. They are not my words, it's just stuff I've read from reputable sources. I'm suspect most of you will come round when it has all played out.

Yeah but on what terms? The last 2 Ukrainian offensives got nowhere. They didnt gain any territory. Russia now has the Donbass & Crimea (20% of Uktrainian territory). This is an attempt by Zelensky to concede defeat and save face.

Likewise, fair enough. Yeah, as you say, I'm just passing on what I have read. Most of the points I made are factual, no matter where you source them e.g. Ukraine has run out of fit men of fighting age, the west has lost appetite for the conflict, Zelensky's generals have had to talk him into...

Oh leave it out pal. Russian propaganda ffs :-D (see below)

Yes, indeed. The situation now is worse!

As I said above, the New York Times isn't going to throw the towel in yet but the step-change in Ukraine's approach is much more telling, and the fact that you can glean this from the mainstream media is equally important. You can see that the tide has turned from "we will defeat the Russians"...

A bit unrealistic? It's the loser asking for their lost territory back. It's a joke of a plan, nothing more than bluster It's no secret that Zelensky's own generals were the ones that had to talk him into accepting that the war can no longer be won. Any peace plan is a radical departure from...

Did you read the nyt article I posted? https://ecfr.eu/publication/beyond-the-counter-offensive-attrition-stalemate-and-the-future-of-the-war-in-ukraine/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-european-officials-broach-topic-peace-negotiations-ukraine-sources-rcna123628 I can dig out some...

Well yes, obviously Russia isn't going to accept it in that form. The loser in the war doesn't get to dictate the terms of the armstice.

Fair questions. I don't think any of us have the answers!