nicko31
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And get what in return ?
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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President
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BN41Albion
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It’s time for me to get on my unpopular but personal favourite history hobby horse, named “In defence of Neville Chamberlain”.
Comparing the two does a massive disservice to Chamberlain. He may have been naive in thinking peace could happen, but he was also entirely pragmatic. He knew it was important to buy the UK time, and he set in motion the massive rearmament programme which the UK embarked upon from 1937. Those aren’t the actions of a man entirely under the spell of Hitler or blind to the possible outcomes and realities the UK faced. Chamberlain has gone down in history as a figure of ridicule, but this is entirely unfair. Even Churchill at the time was largely supportive of the course of action and Chamberlain served in his war cabinet (at Churchill’s personal request) until his death in 1940.
Whereas Trump is an arrogant, naive, venal, arrogant, self-serving, thick as pig shit, weird, ignorant, moronic, jumped up, racist POS.
nicko31
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They can keep their shitty corn sirup, hormone beef and chlorinated chicken
Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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The UK isn't at war. Completely different scenario. Starmer was playing the game yesterday, which was applauded and respected by people on both 'sides'.
What are the details of the deal, out of interest?
The Trump administration is considering (will if does not sign deal) ending all ongoing shipments of military aid to Ukraine after a meeting between Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Donald Trump in the Oval Office, the Washington Post reports.
The decision, if taken, would apply to billions of dollars of radars, vehicles, ammunition and missiles awaiting shipment to Ukraine through the presidential drawdown authority, the outlet reports, citing a senior US official.
The decision, if taken, would apply to billions of dollars of radars, vehicles, ammunition and missiles awaiting shipment to Ukraine through the presidential drawdown authority, the outlet reports, citing a senior US official.
Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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Yeah - full of shit. Zelensky hasn't actually lost anything, because there was no guarantee of peace anyway!
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Yep its going to take a while and I might not be able to do everything but I can't keep supporting these ****s.
Oh do grow a brain. This man is a leader, a real leader that has taken on a **** and now he has another **** to deal with.
Greg Bobkin
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That bit.
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
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The Ukraine thing is undoubtedly a very low, very public demonstration of the venal arrogance of Trump and his circle.
But intervening in Romanian affairs to save the Tates, as petty as it is, was the moment where I puked in my mouth. Using state power to lean on a foreign government to save some sex trafficker and rapist because his grossly misogynistic worldview gels with Trump's agenda is a real tell of the lows this government is going to sink to. A true "f*** you" moment.
But intervening in Romanian affairs to save the Tates, as petty as it is, was the moment where I puked in my mouth. Using state power to lean on a foreign government to save some sex trafficker and rapist because his grossly misogynistic worldview gels with Trump's agenda is a real tell of the lows this government is going to sink to. A true "f*** you" moment.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
They've got King Charles. A great guy. A really great guy. I've met him and we really get on. A great man.
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
I don't disagree that Chamberlain had principles and standards, unlike the orange pig, but the surrender of Sudetenland only empowered Hitler's expansionist policy and in hindsight only bought the time the British needed to rearm sufficiently to avoid what would probably have been a catastrophic defeat if WW2 had started in 1938. For Chamberlain, the Munich agreement was a triumph of hope and pragmatism at the time, but this proved not be enough. The Munich agreement was immensely popular (and divisive) at the time. Hindsight is wonderful thing.
Trump, on the other hand, is a property developer who thinks like one. His only strategy is to do deals that benefit his own position (he wins, everyone else loses), and he always thinks in terms of the money. His only tactic is to try and charm/smarm the strong and bully the weak. So far it is working because there is no other country both willing and able to stand up to American power and imperialism. Trump admires power, so dictatorships such as Russia and China are natural bedfellows, provided that America is always first and biggest. Liberal democracies appear weak because they pander to the vacillating will and wants of the electorate. His performance this evening was cringeworthy and embarrassing to others, but completely in character.
I can't see Trump saying anything like this if his policies fail....
Everything that I have worked for, everything that I have hoped for, everything that I have believed in during my public life has crashed into ruins. There is only one thing left for me to do: that is devote what strength and power I have to forwarding the victory of the cause for which we have sacrificed so much - Chamberlain speech, 3 September 1939
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Lenny Rider
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- Sep 15, 2010
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Art imitating life?
cheshunt seagull
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No, I would have fought to defend it when I was fit and able and would do whatever I can now that I am old and unwell. I hate violence but could never live with the idea of others making sacrifices for me.
Cool. Well he's just signed the death warrant for another few hundred thousand because he couldn't swallow his pride. And as it stands Ukraine is f***ed.
Great leadership.
If the Cliffe Bomfire Society do anyone other than Trump again, I'll be amazed.
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
Trump or Vance?