[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

SouthSaxon said:

Hmm, the man apparently has appeared on Russian sponsored TV to discuss Ukraine, been invited to speak at the UN by Russia, been criticised for spreading COVID misinformation…

He sorta kinda maybe has a point about European foreign policy but other stuff is dead wrong. For example, suggesting the Serbian wars were led and caused by the US rather than, say, Serbian expansionism and a complex web of ethnic tensions unleashed by the collapse of communism…

…yeah, I’m filling this one under Russian talking points.

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BrickTamland said:

The blokes got serious mental health issues. Best to place on ignore and not engage

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Hugo Rune said:

Your type of woman?

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A1X said:

You’re wasting your time trying to argue with Spence or make him see your point of view. He doesn’t care. All that appears to matter to him is that somewhere some “libs” are getting “owned”. And any fact-based, legitimate criticism of the administration can be conveniently brushed off as “Trump Derangement Syndrome” (an odd term which only appears to be a thing among the hyper-online right wingers and which appears to exist more in their heads than in real life).

At least that’s the impression he gives, and his activities on this thread certainly give that impression.

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borat said:

Couldn't see that he has ever officially represented Russia at the UN but happy to see evidence. He has decades of political and economic experience (advisor to the UN secretary general).

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borat said:

The broader point is that strategically wouldnt it be great to strengthen ties within the Euro nations and build power that way (and more independence) rather than continue to be a vassal state of the US serving mainly to further its militaristic tendencies / nation building (interference)" that has proved so disastrous.

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• “Trump and President Putin will agree to end the war” ~ Trump can’t unilaterally agree to end a war he’s not fighting in
• “If Europe does all its great warmongering, it doesn’t matter, the war is ending” ~ no point Europe opposing this Trump/Putin deal
• Despite all its warmongering, Europe had “no voice”, it’s just a US lapdog. Bit of a contradiction in terms that
• “This idea that Putin is reconstructing the Soviet Union is childish propaganda” ~ then a whole bunch of stuff about how this war is Ukraine’s fault. Note that a deal was on the table, and they supposedly walked away. They chose war…this is exactly what Trump said!!

Bozza said:

Well, in terms of percentage of GDP given in foreign aid, there is Luxembourg, Norway, Sweden, Germany, France, Denmark, Holland, the UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Finland, Japan, Ireland, New Zealand, Canada, Austria, Iceland and Italy.

It is surely the best measure of generosity to assess how much someone (or, in this case, some country) gives or what they have. And all the countries above give away more of what they have than the US does.

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Bible Gateway passage: Mark 12:41-44 - New International Version

The Widow’s Offering - Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents. Calling his...

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BadFish said:

What is proven again and again on this thread is that the small number of Trump supports are unable to articulate the positives of what is happening.

With the exception of some misguided notion that he is going to improve the economy and national debt at some point. Obviously this implies that if it does happen then the rest of it is somehow worthwhile.

You cannot defend the indefensible.

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lasvegan said:

Okay, point taken. The USA only gives twice as much as the next nearest contributor…if only we didn’t waste so much?

But there is a lesson to be learned…especially for us.

Bible Gateway passage: Mark 12:41-44 - New International Version

The Widow’s Offering - Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents. Calling his...

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Green Cross Code Man said:

She was useless as were the democrats. Doesn't change a single thing about Donald Trump though does it?

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marlowe said:

Yes, it's almost like excusing Jimmy Savile for all the terrible things he did because he did a lot for charity.

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Springal said:

Perfectly normal country…

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BadFish said:

Yeah but he'll make the trains run on time.

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SouthSaxon said:

The brown shirts have made their appearance then. Really hope that woman is OK.

f***.

Edit: here’s a report on what happened, including the aftermath. Thankfully, she wasn’t seriously harmed.

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Green Cross Code Man said:

I am seeing that a lot with people over here that I have contact with or are friend of friends. Usually justified with a biblical story regarding a character like David who was mostly presented as a good person but who has times of backsliding. There's a huge blindspot in their attitude, it's as though they can't see that democracy, should in theory, offer a better alternative.

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Eeyore said:

It's interesting you mention that, because I was of the view that Americans probably saw him as some kind of David like character. I wonder who his Jonathan is ?

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Green Cross Code Man said:

Musk? Jonathan died in battle so maybe Trump will sacrifice him?

I have also seen Christians liken Trump to other biblical heroes, all with big flaws, that they consider meaningless as they regard him as chosen by God. One cannot reason with people who have that kind of belief, but as my earlier post suggested, there is a huge, or should be a huge difference in the process a democratically elected president chosen on the basis of talent and suitability, to that of an iron age king in Israel.

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spence said:

The Kennedy family are all Democrats. RFK broke ranks and endorsed Trump.

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