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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 175 42.3%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 216 52.2%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    414
  • Poll closed .


Commander

Arrogant Prat
NSC Patron
Apr 28, 2004
13,909
London
That's a good point, which I hadn't really considered. I suppose though if the world stands back over Ukraine, he might take a couple of years to rebuild and then make another move.
He had plenty of time to build for Ukraine, he didn't do it on a whim. I just think the idea of the Russian army rampaging through Europe, when they couldn't even get anywhere near Kiev in 3 years of throwing everything they had at it, to the point where they had to use North Korean soldiers, feels fanciful. Especially as if they did have a crack at Poland they would presumably be fighting the French, German and UK armies there as well. If they couldn't beat the Ukrainian army, how the hell could they expect to win that?

The comparisons to 1939 don't make sense to me- the Nazis took France in 6 weeks, Poland in 7 weeks, the Netherlands in 5 days, Denmark in 6 hours etc. Putin has got absolutely nowhere near conquering Ukraine in 3 years. Regardless of how poor the NATO forces are without the US, they must be one hell of a step up from the Ukrainian one, and with thousands more miles for the Russians to cover.
 




SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
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Jan 25, 2025
89
He had plenty of time to build for Ukraine, he didn't do it on a whim. I just think the idea of the Russian army rampaging through Europe, when they couldn't even get anywhere near Kiev in 3 years of throwing everything they had at it, to the point where they had to use North Korean soldiers, feels fanciful. Especially as if they did have a crack at Poland they would presumably be fighting the French, German and UK armies there as well. If they couldn't beat the Ukrainian army, how the hell could they expect to win that?

The comparisons to 1939 don't make sense to me- the Nazis took France in 6 weeks, Poland in 7 weeks, the Netherlands in 5 days, Denmark in 6 hours etc. Putin has got absolutely nowhere near conquering Ukraine in 3 years. Regardless of how poor the NATO forces are without the US, they must be one hell of a step up from the Ukrainian one, and with thousands more miles for the Russians to cover.
Also factor in that the small scale of advance shouldn’t be stretching their supply lines and logistics that much…yet here they are using donkeys at the front.

This was a big part in what did for the Wehrmacht in 1942 and I’m fairly certain they still had trucks.
 




brightn'ove

cringe
Apr 12, 2011
9,214
London
Steve Bannon flashing a Nazi salute at the CPAC conference, similar to what Musk did a few weeks ago.

They are Neo fascists, The all new rebranded 21st century version of Nazis, who have mainly learned how to hide the outward appearances of fascism, but still to slowly propogate its message.

Little by little they are taking people down a well trodden path of evil, aligning with global fascist parties and moving towards a new world fascist order.

Liz Truss spoke at this nazi event. Thank f*** she didn’t last here.
 








Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
16,926
He'll go for the rest of Ukraine first, and then somewhere like Moldova, who aren't in NATO. He's not ready to start on NATO.
Yep. Any talk of peace is bollocks. Either Trump thinks Putin will no invade anywhere else, or he knows he's going to try.

Whichever way you cut it, Trump is a facking idiot.
 


















Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,455
But apparently he's 'not very important' and has 'no cards' in terms of being part of meetings

What a world we now suddenly find ourselves in 😔
Ukraine has no cards, apart from trillions of $ worth of rare earth minerals he desperately wants. I'd call that a card, in card terms that's the King of Diamonds.

Maybe China will make Ukraine a better offer for those minerals?
 




FamilyGuy

Well-known member
Jul 8, 2003
2,586
Crawley
Sadly, I suspect we're living through a similar decade to the 1930s where war is inevitable. Everyone knows who the players are and their self-interests. If Putin is allowed to keep the territory gained through war, he will strengthen his position there and go again. Maybe at the remaining Ukraine, but maybe at Poland. Or Norway. And that means war with Europe. I agree with the suggestions that Trump would stay out of it until it was advantagous to himself to step in.

Alliances around the world have crumbled and the worst people have seized power.
I fear you may be right - and as a grandfather I sincerely hope that you are wrong.

Q: What the hell are the Democrats doing while Rome burns?
Q: Where's the Democrats Strong Man?
 


Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
16,926
I see he's now blaming Starmer and Macron for not stopping the war. No word about any of the Tory big nobs previously in charge or, y'know Putin - who REALLY could've done something...
 


FamilyGuy

Well-known member
Jul 8, 2003
2,586
Crawley
I see he's now blaming Starmer and Macron for not stopping the war. No word about any of the Tory big nobs previously in charge or, y'know Putin - who REALLY could've done something...
:ROFLMAO::facepalm:
 


Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,455
I see he's now blaming Starmer and Macron for not stopping the war. No word about any of the Tory big nobs previously in charge or, y'know Putin - who REALLY could've done something...
Couldn't Boris have had a word with that Russian tart who bid £160K in a Tory auction for a game of tennis with him? She being the wife of Putin's former Deputy Finance Minister.
 




A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
21,643
Deepest, darkest Sussex
I see he's now blaming Starmer and Macron for not stopping the war. No word about any of the Tory big nobs previously in charge or, y'know Putin - who REALLY could've done something...
I don’t think even the regular naysayers on the Labour threads have yet got as far as blaming Starmer for starting the war in Ukraine, although now we have this it’s surely a matter of time
 




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