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[Politics] Brexit - 9 years on, time for a poll ?
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Man of Harveys
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It will vary entirely from country to country. Sadly my late German mum was not enough for me to qualify for citizenship (I asked at the embassy. In German. They were very nice and apologetic about it.). So I’d try asking the Austrian embassy.
Bring back Bryan wade!!
I wanna caravan for me ma
Chuck another shrimp on the Barbie..
SweatyMexican
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- Mar 31, 2013
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A lot of countries need a “win” in Europe right now, and the UK rejoining would certainly fit the bill.
It’ll never happen though in my opinion.
It’ll never happen though in my opinion.
I still live in hope . . . . . We are the first generation to live in a regressive negative backward society, in over 100 years. that is a depressing thought.
just as well I Like old cars and walking because I can't afford to drive them.
Oh, and root veg. Yummy.
Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
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Yep, but it won't be because our political elite don't have the appetite to do it anytime soon, it's mainly because the EU wouldn't want us back as a disillusioned Euro sceptic nation. Until we have flushed away the Farage-ist populist movement completely it'll never happen. And we couldn't simply rejoin as before, the Germany++ brilliant deal we had before, which delivered 20+ years of continuous growth, we threw in bin. We only get back in if we ditched the pound and accepted Schengen. Never gonna happen. The only feasible way back would be a special arrangement like Norway or Canada have but specially tailored for the UK. At a guees I would imagine a FTA arrangement which meant keeping the the Pound and we could also rejoin the CU, no seat at the table i.e. rule takers, and we would have to re-instate freedom of movement - that's non negotiable. It will take 5-10 years min just to prime the public and even longer before we got back
Yep.
Johnson walked us into the wood chipper so he could become prime minister.
That's quite a thing to think upon.
Bit it would be wrong of me to not say that those who voted leave and are suffering now don't deserve it.
f*** 'em.
As for the rest of us.....
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
There are countries in the EU that aren’t in Schengen and we only have to undertake to accept the euro, but there’s no time scale. Denmark did, and still has the krona.
We will join the Single Market and Customs Union before rejoining the EU.
I do hope this is the trajectory.......
You make a lot of assumptions, all quite possible. The one I would disagree with is “the EU wouldn't want us back as a disillusioned Euro sceptic nation”. I believe there is a strong desire for closer economic ties with the UK, now bolstered by the Trump factor. We will need to give up the silly but insulting anti eu rhetoric though.
However, as you imply, whilst there will be a negotiation, we will be in a weak position and we will never get the preferential deal we freely gave up.
It will undoubtably take many years and it will be a step by step process. Personally I think the Uk electorate (however reluctantly) will end up driving this out of economic necessity and then we will be knocking at an open door.
The history and raison d’être of the EU is based on the desire for peace post WW2 through closer economic and political ties. Too many chose to ignore how this worked for c70 years but with the changing geo politics and risk of a European war once again looming, there may be a new momentum, on all sides, to become friends again
Randy McNob
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I don't think it's that easy, people believe it's some revolving door you can just enter and leave as you wish.
If you're a euro-sceptic nation the door is closed, sorry. All the time our media shoe horn Farage, Tice front and centre and keep the Brexit candle burning you can forget it
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
That’s not what I’m reading from EU leaders.
- Jul 10, 2003
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You need to read what the EU say about Britain. Obviously we'll never get the brilliant deal that 40 years of negotiation from all political parties got us
But we would certainly get a deal good enough to reverse the vast majority of the harm we are doing to ourselves on a daily basis.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Cameron bought the wood chipper and plugged it in. Just because he got nervous about a couple of polls in a couple of Tory seats.Yep.
Johnson walked us into the wood chipper so he could become prime minister.
That's quite a thing to think upon.
Bit it would be wrong of me to not say that those who voted leave and are suffering now don't deserve it.
f*** 'em.
As for the rest of us.....
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Love the Fargo references
- Jul 10, 2003
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Rdodge30
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- Dec 30, 2022
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Not my views at all but considering the main issues for leavers were immigration and sovereignty I imagine a harder version of Brexit would be a harder stance on immigration and remaining EU laws but I’m only guessing.
I’m not quite sure why Starmer gets the support he does on here, if his view is that we would be better if rejoining or at the very least doing a trade deal, why the hell couldn’t he come out and say so pre election and campaign on it. Over and over I came in here pre election and said what is his plan what does he intend to do?? Because he’s simply trying to get elected by not being a Tory.
The answer in here was usually ‘he has to keep his policies secret because of the daily mail’ if you can believe that.
I honestly believe if he had been upfront about his policies then his approval ratings would not be so disastrous now. He would’ve been able to say - we laid out our plan, we were voted in and we’ve implemented that plan. Instead of that he looks deceitful and dishonest and is wholly unpopular.
Given that the polling shows repeatedly that the country is in favour of rejoining then he could’ve laid out any plans on obtaining a trade deal pre election without fear of losing votes…. Reform were already splitting the Tory vote so he could not lose.
Right now he should do a trade deal which would almost certainly be supported by all business and would lead to the Tories eating themselves for 4 years with their European division becoming all consuming…. As it is their narrative will be completely dictated by discussion of alliance with Reform - politically the current Conservative Party should be the gift that keeps on giving to a Labour Government but unbelievably Starmer and reeves have managed to position themselves as less popular than any previous government…. EXCEPT ON HERE
He’s a terrible politician… unless you believe that all his policies since being elected were only thought up post election? Other than that he just comes across as snide, elect me because the tories are shot to bits … then you will see what I intend to do. And apparently he’s in favour of rejoining anyway so what the hell is going on?
- Jul 10, 2003
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We control our immigration rules, not the EU, and we don't have any 'remaining EU laws' as we are not in the EU. Sorry, but I really can't understand the point of this post as there is absolutely nothing about renegotiating 'harder' Brexit rules
I’m not quite sure why Starmer gets the support he does on here, if his view is that we would be better if rejoining or at the very least doing a trade deal, why the hell couldn’t he come out and say so pre election and campaign on it. Over and over I came in here pre election and said what is his plan what does he intend to do?? Because he’s simply trying to get elected by not being a Tory.
The answer in here was usually ‘he has to keep his policies secret because of the daily mail’ if you can believe that.
I honestly believe if he had been upfront about his policies then his approval ratings would not be so disastrous now. He would’ve been able to say - we laid out our plan, we were voted in and we’ve implemented that plan. Instead of that he looks deceitful and dishonest and is wholly unpopular.
Given that the polling shows repeatedly that the country is in favour of rejoining then he could’ve laid out any plans on obtaining a trade deal pre election without fear of losing votes…. Reform were already splitting the Tory vote so he could not lose.
Right now he should do a trade deal which would almost certainly be supported by all business and would lead to the Tories eating themselves for 4 years with their European division becoming all consuming…. As it is their narrative will be completely dictated by discussion of alliance with Reform - politically the current Conservative Party should be the gift that keeps on giving to a Labour Government but unbelievably Starmer and reeves have managed to position themselves as less popular than any previous government…. EXCEPT ON HERE
He’s a terrible politician… unless you believe that all his policies since being elected were only thought up post election? Other than that he just comes across as snide, elect me because the tories are shot to bits … then you will see what I intend to do. And apparently he’s in favour of rejoining anyway so what the hell is going on?
And if you simply wanted to rant about Starmer couldn't you have used one of the many threads set up to rant about Starmer/Labour ?
Rdodge30
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- Dec 30, 2022
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We control our immigration rules, not the EU, and we don't have any 'remaining EU laws' as we are not in the EU. Sorry, but I really can't understand the point of this post as there is absolutely nothing about renegotiating 'harder' Brexit rules
And if you simply wanted to rant about Starmer couldn't you have used one of the many threads set up to rant about Starmer/Labour ?
My view was that he should do a trade deal
What’s your view on a way forward?