n1 gull
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I would argue that half the Tory party don't lean right and are natural Lib Dems. That is why we have the Reform Party
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BiffyBoy100
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- Apr 20, 2020
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We’re talking about now though?
Tulsi Gabbard was a democrat for 20 years. She’s now Director of National Intelligence for mad man Trump!
BiffyBoy100
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But isn’t that true for both sides? The IRA realized they couldn’t achieve total victory through violence, but so did the British government. If they truly believed military force alone could win, why negotiate at all? The reality is, both sides reached a point where they saw that continuing the conflict wouldn’t lead to a clear ‘win’—so they sat down and talked.
And stepping back, this whole thread feels a bit ironic. We’re dissecting other countries’ affairs and blaming U.S. voters, as if our own nations haven’t done the same—or worse. The UK has a long history of interference—Ireland, India, Palestine, Kenya—and plenty of choices that, in hindsight, caused more harm than good. It’s easy to criticize others, but history tends to make hypocrites of us all.
Reform MPs tend to lean so far to the right they've toppled over and are struggling to get back on their feet
nicko31
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He's getting upset about countries charging VAT now. Clueless...
Jackthelad
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- Mar 31, 2010
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Most of them have no politics other than their own gain. Boris had having both Leave and Remain letters written out sums them up. Greed and self gain is what the Tories stand for. Interesting that Labour said the Tories had an open border experiment, for even Labour to say that shows how bad the Tories were.
Yes, we're talking now. Rory Stewart didn't have an epiphany that led him to change his beliefs. His party changed so he had to flee but his politics remain the same
He is insane. Believing vat is the same as tariffs when we pay it on almost everything. Strange strange man.
BiffyBoy100
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You called the The Rest is Politics a ‘balanced’ podcast because Rory Stewart is supposedly right-leaning, but it ignores the fact that both he and Alastair Campbell are fundamentally centrists.
Yes, Stewart was a Tory MP, but his views have always been more pragmatic and moderate than traditionally right-leaning. He opposed Johnson’s populism, backed a soft-Brexit approach, and prioritises compromise over ideological purity—positions that make him as close to political center as you can get. Meanwhile, Campbell, despite his Labour background, is hardly a radical leftist. He’s pro-business, pro-NATO, and deeply embedded in the centrist, Blairite tradition of politics.
If anything, The Rest is Politics is a conversation between two centrists with different political histories, not a true left-right debate. Their disagreements are often about pragmatism and policy details rather than deep ideological divides.
Exactly this. Boris purged anyone who would not worship at the alter of Brexit and lots of Tory MPs went looking for a new home. David Cameron was pretty centrist really. He was elected to be prime minister. The fact that people think employees should not have any rights and we should all pay for routine medical appointments is not a normal Tory policy. It is right wing.
fly high
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But you know he's right, he always is.........what a statesman (think I meant to say wanker).
n1 gull
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I would say The Rest is Politics and The News Agents are both extreme centrist podcasts
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but they are not balanced
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but they are not balanced
“extreme centrist” - how much more balanced can you get?
Extreme centrist is now considered a communist in some circles.“extreme centrist” - how much more balanced can you get?
You're confusing me with another poster. I just agreed that Rory Stewart is right-leaning, which he obviously is. I agree that both he and Campbell are centrists
Withdean South Stand
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I would disagree with that - I think she was never really a Democrat. She was always a lunatic in her soul, she just hadn't found the right Dear Leader yet.
Trump has unlocked something within people - there's a reason Cult leaders have followers. For all his Orangeness and general strangeness, Trump does have a magnetism which is pure charisma. I don't get it, personally, but it's undeniable he's gifted at getting people to follow him.
BiffyBoy100
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That was the point I was trying to make.
If we’re saying Tulsi ‘was never really a Democrat,’ we should probably say Rory ‘was never really a Tory’ either.
And just because someone was affiliated with a party for years doesn’t mean their perspective on hosting a podcast will be left- or right-leaning in the present.
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Cordwainer
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Gotta be a challenging role..presume her no1 kpi is trying to find some?
Greg Bobkin
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These days, if you say you're an extreme centrist, you get arrested and thrown in jail... and then deported back to where you came from.
No, where you ACTUALLY came from.