Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
I could never find the dressing room in the first place.
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[Albion] “Losing the dressing room”
- Thread starter DJ NOBO
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Who should we believe though? Veltman or Dave on the radio?
I remember watching the Arsenal ‘All or Nothing’ documentary and thinking how cringeworthy all of Arteta’s dressing room stuff was. Maybe all the dressing room talks are just cringefests? I wonder if footballers are just a certain breed and are used to finding that stuff motivational, because I don’t know how in that documentary, some of them weren’t laughing. I would have been.
Of course it’s possible but it’s almost never permanent. Going into last week (away and against a better team) we had Enciso sulkily shipped out, Ferguson knowing he was going, two key midfielders mysteriously “injured” last minute, causing us to play a formation we can’t have practiced and attacking players being asked to track and cover as well as press. It was an unmitigated disaster.
The test was always going to be if the coach could recover from it, and he did. But slightly easier with the transfer window closed, Baleba back and an overall feeling of “that was a shitshow, let’s not do that again”.
The test was always going to be if the coach could recover from it, and he did. But slightly easier with the transfer window closed, Baleba back and an overall feeling of “that was a shitshow, let’s not do that again”.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Losing the dressing room doesn’t necessarily mean players are against the manager, but it can mean factions have developed, some players aren’t happy, aren’t trying as hard as others, are playing for themselves rather than the team, arguments, disharmony. I think it can happen to a good manager with a bad bunch as well as a bad manager with a good bunch.
Of course down to the manager to navigate this, sometimes the cause of it, sometimes the one who heals it, but it must happen especially with like say a ManUtd where the egos are just out of control.
It is a thing for me.
It’s not about not trying or minimal effort, it’s more about losing faith and questioning decisions, and the manner in which it’s done. Players fragmenting into groups, stories being leaked, basically a complete loss of respect.
There are always stronger personalities in the changing room and ‘leaders’, that’s nothing new. However, I don’t think that’s where we are at all, hopefully/clearly the players don’t like getting humiliated or even losing, so all of the ‘noise’ last week, was nonsense.
Mr Bridger
Sound of the suburbs
According to reports the Palace coach driver was loose in the dressing room.
Yes. And at Chelsea and Leicester certain players met the owners rep’s to get managers the sack.
Silverhatch
Well-known member
Of course there has been unrest. They’re elite competitors and KNOW they could be doing better. We’d be rightly f***ing furious if there hasn’t been some (constructive) criticism being offered.
BUTTERBALL
East Stand Brighton Boyz
The players are playing for him without a shadow of a doubt - he got a response and then some!
Change at Barnham
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It helps the manager's cause when he has a large squad and healthy competition within the dressing room for starting positions.
If anyone starts sulking or showing any negativity it makes it a lot easier to ignore and isolate them (Enciso?).
If you only have a small squad, I think that's when you run the risk of the tail starting to wag the dog.
If anyone starts sulking or showing any negativity it makes it a lot easier to ignore and isolate them (Enciso?).
If you only have a small squad, I think that's when you run the risk of the tail starting to wag the dog.
Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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But we ARE supported by a few!
Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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I read that and thought 'I bet someone says he's like DB'
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Read the Athletic article to get an idea of what the players think of him. You seem to have a downer on FH. He said at the outset that he was relying on the senior players for support, and that’s what he’s got. I’m not sure why Enciso and Ferguson should 'gob off' about the manager or the club. They are still contracted to us and are dependent on Brighton helping them take the next step in their careers - whether that’s with us or not.
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And I thought it an effective gesture. I can think of at least a couple of times in my career when managers have ripped up a document in front of a meeting to get a point across about things needing to change. It gets the point across much more vividly than just muttering a few platitudes about having to do better.
Greg Bobkin
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hart's shirt
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Based on what I've seen at our club and others, yes, I do.
IMHO the last time for us was the end of Hughton's reign. Those 0-5 and 0-2 home defeats to Bournemouth and Cardiff in 4 days were abject for a side set up pragmatically.
3 wins out of the last 23 league games. None in the last 9. Another week longer and we'd possibly have gone down. Despite more wins than us, Cardiff just ran out of road.
For a calm and considered Tony Bloom to pull the trigger a day after the end of the season spoke volumes.
Every manager has a sell-by date. As good a job as he did to take us up and keep us up, Hughton had clearly reached his with us.
Some of us on NSC are a rum lot.
I know I am.
So, conventional motivational stuff has me twitching to flip the bird.
That said, I have to do 'motivational' occasionally with my students.
A bit hit and miss.
One year I got a round of applause (unheard of for final year students).
Another year a student (admittedly only one out of 70) gave me some shirty feedback on course appraisal.
Apparently I had insulted students for being lazy rote-learning oaves who don't listen to advice.
What can I say?
7dialssouthpaw
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- Sep 10, 2022
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Mourinho and Chelsea was a memorable example. The players, led by Fabregas (IMO) and with the exception of Willian (IMO), carried out a "work to rule" after Mourinho's spat with the phsyios. (2015-16) A clique of players basically stopped making an effort and he ended up sacked.